England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 11, 2018.

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  1. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Agreed. Who would you go with up front? I’d go with Ings personally but understand DCL has a strong claim.

    Sorry to hear about health issues within your family mate. Hope things get better.

    Always find it unbelievable when people on here joke about heart attacks or cancer.
     
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  2. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    The main interest will be Grealish, looks like southgate might be forced to play him, if he performs he’ll be in trouble. The problem is that the team around him could be weak, will struggle to get the ball with Rice Philipps JWP behind him. He’s used to play with ordinary midfielders though.
     
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  3. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    As long as it’s not Rice AND Phillips
     
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  4. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    Afraid it will be, Southgate loves 2 DM
     
  5. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Hi thanks. Yes it's been a tough year. Hoping things improve. Thanks. As for the front 3 grealish dcl barnes
     
  6. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I'd be AMAZED if grealish doesn't start. Hes in the form of his life
     
  7. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Rooney was a much better player than Kane but burned out due to being played in literally every game and his tenacity
     
  8. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010


    Snub and AJ will not like this comp :) Or they will say that he was good bc he played on the left !
     
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  9. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    But... he did play on the left? Honestly can't see what you're driving at there.
     
  10. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Sorry to hear that, and I'm sorry if I've given you a hard time over some of your posts. Didn't realise quite what you were going through.
     
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  11. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    yeah he did play on the left, could have been right or center he would have performed either way. The point is that he's utter class.
     
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  12. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Dont worry about it. I dont take it to heart. Thanks for your thoughts. Its been tough the last year but things will get better
     
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  13. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    would have been good to see maddison and grealish start against wales. Cant wait till grealish maddison and foden are in the same team
     
  14. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Ok, but don't misrepresent the disagreement. I only saw people question whether Grealish was good enough as a central midfielder. Don't think anybody has doubted his ability as a wide man - we just have a few very good ones of those.
     
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  15. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    But wouldn't you agree that it was an obvious excuse for Southgate not to pick him ? Come on, Grealish is an attacking midfielder that can play wide or central. Especially if the pivot is Rice / Henderson or Rice / Phillips there's 0 excuse not to play him 10. Southgate obviously has an issue with him that has little to do with football. Grealish needs to be unplayable this season, if he is the media pressure will be too big for Southgate to ignore him.
    And I did see people questioning his overall level. The most dishonest argument is to compare his numbers with Rashford / Sterling. He's not a forward. He brings other things to the table.
     
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  16. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    No, I think it was Southgate's honest opinion. That's not to say that I'm sure I agree with him (in truth, I'm not certain that Grealish could do the job for us as a number 8, but nor am I convinced that he couldn't), and perhaps Grealish would have made a squad slighter quicker if he was a bit more of a model professional, but I don't think there's any conspiracy to be found.

    He is in the squad now, by the way. I'd have thought that that would give you less cause for complaint, but it doesn't really feel like it.
     
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  17. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    #11392 MrSnrub, Oct 5, 2020
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    This is rather boring and childish. Maybe I should post a Foden compilation as evidence of how Southgate is a moron for not having him at left back?

    The fact Dean Smith thinks he's best as a left winger is basically all you need to know. Yes, its possible to think he could play somewhere else and Smith isn't the be all and end all, but its also pretty reasonable that Southgate....thinks the same as his club manager. I don't see why that is so hard to believe.

    To make out its a conspiracy - and indeed trawl through twitter hunting out made up Southgate quotes and such as you've done several times now however is fairly bizarre. As I said before, its amusing how after years of complaining that England managers just cram the best 11 players into a team, playing people out of position and such, its now a sin people aren't being crammed into the side out of position.
     
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  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Grealish is a left winger that given the chance could play as playmaker. He has all the tools to do so. Plus if southgate plays two holding midfielders behind him then there's some protection
     
  19. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    Didn’t like that he was used only 20mn in spite of several players missing. Not convinced.
     
  20. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    #11395 sharpovic, Oct 5, 2020
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    Yeah sure, mocking Southgate for the way he’s treated Grealish is super bizarre. Chill out. Regarding the position argument, it’s borderline insulting people’s intelligence. For the 100 th time, left wing isnt the only position where he can perform. Grealish is an attacking midfielder, extremely versatile. He thinks he’s better in the middle as an 8. Smith explained several times why he played him on the left, never said once that he was better there said that he was more useful to Villa for the balance of the team and bc he could play closer to the box. Bottom line, the fact that he plays left wing should never be an excuse for not calling him up. It’s nitpicking. He can play loads of positions and is good in every single one of them, at least better than most other England players. And if it’s purely about football, then Southgate is even more clueless than I thought. Playing him 10 wouldn't be playing him "out of position". Who are you trying to fool exactly. In any case, he's in the squad and that's great, but if he's not used or isn't in the next squad, I won't find creative excuses just for the sake of supporting Southgate, I support England not Southgate.
     
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  21. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Yes Rooney has way more natural talent than Kane and was a great player. But he never got any better after about 21 and apart from Euro 2004 never did it for England in a tournament. What will probably happen is Rooney will have the better domestic career and Kane the international career.
     
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  22. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    And last thing on the position matter, Wilshere played DM for England, Hodgson and Neville wanted him there to be a central figure in the team and dictate from deep. That was a brilliant idea and he was voted MOTM several times in a row. He didn't play there for Arsenal, who cares. International football is basically the antithesis of PL football, tempo is very different, less direct more technical. Some coaches are just braver than others.
     
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  23. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Can't see that. Kane will outscore Rooney at club level too. Rooney was a phenomenon at 18 after the first few years at United he went down hill a bit. Kane is easily as good as what Rooney was even if he wasnt as dynamic
     
  24. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    That’s a straight RED in my book .. . and I still don’t understand why Shaw is so heavy set in this day and age of dieticians and medical scientists
     
  25. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Thanks !!
    Great compilation and it didn’t really show his long range passing or shooting ability..

    He’s easily the best ENGLISH player on form in the EPL ...

    I’d hate to have to choose from Jack or James Rodríguez .
     
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