What is the problem with Canada?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by LouisianaViking07/09, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    That's basically passing. Sorry.
     
  2. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #3452 Robert Borden, Aug 25, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2020
    They are exceptions, not the norm.

    If Davies didn't sign in Vancouver, he would have ended up in Europe the same way David did. However, you can make the case that Adams was fully developed by NYRB academy. As you can witness, Vancouver ain't it.

    He was being specific to the Canadian context, he wasn't wrong

    That's an oversimplification and misunderstanding of how the 3 MLS clubs have ran their business in Canada. The real question is : Were Canadian youngster trash or were Canadian youngster that came up via those academies trash using your language?

    I could name you the best players currently part of the National team that were develop in Canada and most of them weren't from MLS academies

    Davies? Edmonton
    David? Ottawa
    Larin? Sigma - Mississauga
    Laryea? Sigma - Mississauga
    Kaye? Scatrborough/ York University / TFC
    Doneil Henry North Mississauga / TFC
    Junior Hoillett? Brampton before going to England
    Vitoria? Woodbridge
    Fraser? TFC & Whictecaps
    Kamal Miller? Vaughan and Kitchener
    Manjrekar James? North York & Sigma
    Sam Adekugbe? Calgary and Whitecaps
    Liam Millar? North Mississauga - was told by TFC he was too short to ever make it

    Past
    Owen Hargreaves? Calgary Foothills --> EPL & Bundesliga
    Rob Friend? Okanagan, BC -->Eredivisie & Bundesliga
    De Guzman? Scarborough & Europe -->Bundesliga & La Liga
    Stalteri? GTA academy -->EPL & Bundesliga
    De Rosario? Scarborough --> MLS
    Ricketts? Edmonton-->Norway, Turkey, MLS
    Jim Brennan? Woodbridge--> EPL
    Hutchinson? Brampton --> Norway, Eredivisie, Turkey
    *Many more played in Europe outside of those top leagues playing elsewhere in Europe.

    But sure, MLS academies came along and surpassed all those academies who had good track records at developing good players virtually overnight?That's not realistic

    I agree, the Canadian guys developed through those academies for the most part, weren't good enough.

    A) What does that say about those academies to begin?

    B) What about the rest who aren't from those academies?
    -The good ones went to Europe to leagues comparable or better than MLS
    -The ok guys went to lower tier or USL/NASL
    -the bad - nowhere

    Also, people need to start differentiate the 3 Canadian clubs in MLS vs MLS as a whole. MLS as a whole was "positive" for what it did for the game in Canada, however, the way those 3 clubs did their business at the CSA level and developmental level has brought it's share of setbacks.

    That criticism is 100% warranted on those clubs and David agent was being specific to the Canadian context, not US and unlikely directed at the whole league
     
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  3. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    Beneficial? yes.

    As good as hoped/expected? Not remotely close.

    The Canadian MLS academies have been around for how long and spend how much money a year on development? Whats their success rate? Why can't they develop a player who gets good MLS minutes every year or two? The Whitecaps operate how many full time training centres throughout Canada? 10?

    If TFC doesn't sign Richie Laryea after he gets let go from Orlando, do you think an American club gives him another chance to prove himself, considering he doesn't count as domestic in MLS? Without that, he's either in USL or is playing amateur senior soccer working a day job.

    Canada's issues are obvious:

    1. Lack of proper development for youngsters in this country. Obviously we are light years behind countries that have a soccer culture. Our soccer culture is really only now kicking into gear because of Aphonso Davies/CPL/Worldcup 2026 hosting.

    2. Historically there were so few limited professional soccer jobs in this country that if you aren't a phenom ready to hit the ground running at 18, good luck getting multiple chances to prove yourself. Why would a coach take a chance on you when he can sign some older journeyman who at least won't make growing pain type mistakes, even with no real upside? He just cares about keeping his job. Go out on loan to some USL club, where no one cares about your development.

    We now have a league where 8 teams have young players who are getting real playing time and learning to be pros. We have coaching staffs who are getting experience which will permeate throughout the country. We have kids going to watch these games in person dreaming it might be them someday out there.

    I can't wait to see where things stand in Canada after 5 years of the CPL, likely miles ahead of where our program was after 5 years of Canadian MLS clubs.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did they get the extra money?

    Do you want to give MLS some credit for giving people the opportunity to play soccer?

    More popularity, more clubs, more opportunities to play.

    Take Owen Hargreaves back in the day, he didn't take up soccer until he was 15, a year later thanks to having British parents he was in Germany.
     
  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we're really being honest MLS as a league and the teams themselves didn't start to take youth development seriously until almost 5 years after TFC entered the league. Not to mention that the quality of MLS as a whole was shitty prior to 2015.

    The criticism laid at the feet of the 3 Canadian MLS teams is certainly warranted when it comes to playing young Canadians. Even today there are really only about 5 teams in MLS that are truly/fully committed to youth development and giving young players meaningful minutes in MLS games. This isn't just an issue for the 3 Canadian teams.

    Toronto in particular is disappointing given the amount of resources they have at their disposal. Also given the amount of money they've spent on their training and academy facilities.

    Outside of RSL, FCD, RBNY, Philly and maybe SKC or Seattle(which are both a stretch) there really aren't any teams that are committed to giving meaningful minutes to young players.

    The markets of the Canadian MLS teams aren't helping them either. Those fan bases demand having a winning product on the field. Those fan bases aren't going to be patient to allow for a youth centric system. I'd say it's safe to say that the Vancouver fanbase has run out of patience at this juncture.

    CPL will help, but it's going to take time. Covid certainly isn't going to help matters. If this pandemic had happened in 2010, MLS likely would have gone the way of both incarnations of the NASL.
     
  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Yes, Davies gave it up and Bayern paid Davies = Class!

    https://theprovince.com/sports/socc...ng-transfer-to-bayern-munich-came-to-fruition
    • “In five minutes, I summed it up to them, explained to them what we wanted, and they said ‘We can’t do that.’ I said ‘that’s fine’ … packed up my books, got up, said ‘we can talk tomorrow. You guys go call Germany and see what you need to do.’ And I walked out,” he said, adding he got Bayern to up their salary offer to cover the 10 per cent he’d had expected from Vancouver.
     
  7. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Well the old story with Owen Hargreaves is that he had a German coach at Calgary Foothills who was able set up some trials for Owen in Germany.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And everybody is happy!
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not just about development though. It's about fermenting interest in the game. Some of the TV ratings in Canada have been phenomenal.
     
  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Champions League qualification
    Canada's GK Milan Borjan advance to the 3rd qualification round with a clean sheet for Red Star Belgrade

    Cyle Larin scored a goal in a 3-1 loss against PAOK Thessaloniki. Looks like Besiktas decided to keep Larin after all after his season in Belgium where he improved and his now also a good playmaker.
    Atiba Hutchinson was starting his 15th Champions League campaign. Both Canadians started the game and played the full 90 minutes.

    They are out of the Champions League but will be seeded in the 3rd qualifying round of Europa League.

    Canadian Premier League
    TV ratings
    came in from CBC on Aug 15 (CPL) and TSN on Aug 18 & 21 (MLS). CPL is holding it's own against NHL, NBA (anomaly due to COVID), MLB and MLS

    CPL
    York vs Atletico Ottawa: 64,000
    Halifax Wanderers vs. Pacific: 86,000

    TSN
    TFC vs. Whitecaps#1: 95,800
    TFC vs. Whitecaps #2: 88,100

    I don't have numbers for MLS on Aug 22nd
    CPL
    York vs.Valour: 53,000
    Forge vs Pacific: 29,000*
    *CHCH ratings weren't available - That's the Hamilton (Forge) Channel

    Very encouraging numbers!

    TV Rights
    There are rumblings that MediaPro Canada will bid for the Canadian rights for MLS and launch their cable channel like they just did in France "Telefoot". Grabbing those rights would make that channel "the only" place to watch Canadian football in this country.


    Canadian Championship race
    Top 4 teams advance to the Island games Round 2 - Group stage
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    Top team advance to Canadian Championship finals
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    A thought about the Vancouver Whitecaps

    This is a saaaaaaaddddd franchise who are testing their fanbase patience. This is how they choose to spend the Alphonso Davies money.

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    And they are looking at CPL to help them


    Hang in there Whitecaps fans!
     
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  11. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    MediaPro Canada has confirmed their deal to broadcast CPL in the United States and in the Caribbeans. The first game between York & Pacific was the highest-rated program of the day on FS2.
     
  12. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    so is Larin expected to be starting for Besiktas this season?
     
  13. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    He's still being linked to move to Belgium but based on his performance last season, they would be wise to stick with him.
     
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  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Two of the top 5 most valuable defenders under 19 in the world are in CONCACAF. :) Happy days.
    (according to Transfermarkt anyway)
     
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  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait...Fox Soccer Plus is still a thing? What exactly have they been showing on it? AFL and NRL have been shown regularly on FS1 and FS2.
     
  16. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Updates

    CanMNT
    20 years old attacking midfielder Ferdi Kadioglu has been contacted by the CSA for a potential call up. He's eligible via his mother being Canadian however, both Turkey and Netherlands are interested as well. He's represented Netherlands in their youth teams thus far and is a currently playing for Turkish team Fenerbahçe in the top Tier.
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    Cyle Larin
    Sources are saying that Anderlecht in Belgium are rumoured to have made an offer and Besiktas are waiting until they can sign a replacement
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    Canadians in Champions League

    Centre Back Manjrekar James & FC Midtjylland (Denmark Champions) advances to the third round against Canadian eligible Dominik Yankov & Ludogorets Razgrad (Bulgaria) who will participate in the 3rd round of Europa League qualifiers

    Canadians in Europa League (1st round)
    25 years old Adam Hemati - North Toronto/TFC/Vaughan graduate - Sumgayit FK (Azerbaijan) lost vs KF Shkendija (North Macedonia) - eliminated. The midfielder was previously with Persepolis who made the AFC Champions League finals in 2018

    23 years old forward Kris Twardek & Bohemians (Ireland) - Ottawa & Millwall graduate, has one assist in a loss vs Fehérvár FC (Hungary) on penalty - eliminated

    21 years old forward Richie Ennin & Zalgiris (Lithuania) - TFC graduate, advance to 2nd round with a win vs Paide Linnameeskond (Estonia)

    Interview with CPL Commissioner David Clanachan with a Quebec media
    • Island Games
    • Racism
    • European clubs interested in CPL
    • The Quebec market - expansion in the province
    • CPL helping young talents - level of play
    • Champions League and Canadian Championship
    • Division 3 restructuring - CPL involvement
    • How does a MLS U23 league affects CPL - views on North American Academies
    • CPL launching a Women's League
    • Parity in CPL
    The league has also show it's support to Black Live Matters
     
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  17. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Fox Soccer Plus had the Brazilian Cup yesterday. Live and in HD.
     
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  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's nice, what cable providers still offer it? Comcast/Xfinity and Spectrum don't. Even when they did, they charged $15 or more a month just for that channel!
     
  19. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Sorry, I don't do cable, haven't for many years, so I have no idea about cable providers. I am not sure why anyone would pay the outrageous prices cable providers charge.

    Fox Soccer Plus is on Fubo TV in 24-hour HD in the International Sports Plus package for $6.99, with several other sports channels (all in HD). This is from the Fubo webpage:

    International Sports Plus
    $6.99/mo
    Essential streaming for international sports fans. Get live coverage of world-class soccer and more, including all the biggest tournaments.
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    If you have Dish formerly known as Dish Network you can access Fox Soccer Plus on the Fox Sports Website and apps as part of the 250 channel subscription.

    Dish offers the channel but it is 15 dollars a month so why bother.
     
  21. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    $15/mo. and in SD on Dish, last time I checked.

    Lately, Fox Soccer Plus has been most useful for the FIFA youth tournaments, where they have some of the games live that are not on FS1 and FS2.

    It also has a lot of Australia and New Zealand sports (rugby, Australian Rules Football), if you like that stuff.
     
  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Free CPL games on YouTube for those interested

    (Calgary) Cavalry vs. (Vancouver Island) Pacific
    12pm ET

    (Hamilton) Forge vs Atletico Ottawa
    3pm ET
    @Paul Calixte
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FS+ content is available on the various Fox Sports apps.

    Cutting the cord can be painful but there is a lot of content.
     
  24. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Updates

    France
    Jonathan David
    played 69 minutes for Lille in a 1-0 win over Stade Reims. In my opinion, Jonathan Ikone and David are not a good match holding on the ball longer than he should and wasting good opportunities. It's still early though.

    Chile
    RB 25 years old Juan Cordova was named on the league's team of the week representing his club Huachipato who are currently 7th in the Sudamericana zone.

    Norway
    LB Sam Adekugbe played 90 in a 2-1 loss. If Davies were to be used as LW, Adekugbe would be my choice at LB. Fun fact, his younger brother Elijah Adekugbe is a midfielder for Cavalry in CPL

    Canadian Championship Finals race
    Top 4 teams advances to Round 2 Group Stage
    (Hamilton) Forge
    (Calgary) Cavalry
    (Vancouver Island) Pacific
    (York Region) York 9
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  25. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    New reports are saying that Besiktas might be keeping Cyle Larin after all. Hos loan in Belgium did a ton of good for him and as you look at the highlights below, he's a totally different player. I'd have to say that he looks better than Cavallini right now right behind Jonathan David
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