The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, who gets to win another year of struggling in the EPL, and who will win that massive parachute payment?
     
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  2. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    How do you know they will struggle again next year? Wasn't that the job reserved for Leicester, Sheff Utd, Wolves, Palace etc? In fact hang on a minute, isn't the struggle to stay up next season the job of the promoted clubs? I thought somebody on here told me once that promoted clubs are simply destined to get relegated the following season? They can't all 'struggle' and then go down!?
     
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  3. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a significant barrier; but I do wonder if maybe the ground will shift to where TV deals will largely be for playoffs, and streaming services will cover more and more regular season viewing.
     
  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seeing as most Pro Soccer teams aren't getting paid a lot of money for local TV rights, and in some cases teams have to pay to have their games broadcast it shouldn't be that huge of a barrier.
     
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  5. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I think Paul assured us that Sheffield United would be relegated this season ;)
     
  6. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Oh look...

    They - Sheffield United - won't.
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the next TV deal will forego local TV rights and most games will be streamed nationally on YouTube TV, ESPN+, Twitter, Prime or another aspiring streaming service.

    Essentially this will lock 600,000+ MLS fans, into a single streaming internet platform. Done today that would increase YouTube TV's subscription base by 30%.

    Hopefully Flosports won't submit a bid.
     
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  8. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're probably right.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not Wolves, they've got bags of money.

    Sheffield United overperformed but they're not exactly Leicester. They'll go down next season.

    I was being slightly tongue in cheek but basically what promotion to the Premier League does is give you a chance to play with the big boys for a few seasons.

    Most relegated teams aren't better off financially than they were before they got promoted, unless they play the yoyo game like Burnley, and they're left with the players that got them relegated.

    Of course in your in a pro/rel system promotion becomes the main goal. Winning your division is a bonus but you'd happily settle for automatic promotion.

    But we don't have a pro/rel system so it's all about winning your championship with some consolation prizes along the way.

    And if you don't think losing carries a penalty, go watch some highlights from 2019 and look at the empty seats at Orlando, San Jose and Houston.
     
  10. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I guess those "playing for better draft choice" games aren't too popular.
     
  11. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Ah the old 'got lots of money' argument again I see, seriously you must have said that about 20 different clubs now at least! Show me a Premier League team and I'll show you a club with 'plenty of money'! And arguing about clubs spending 'a few seasons' in the Premier League then yes - that's the point! Clubs go up but traversely clubs HAVE to go down too! There is no law about having to be relegated you know, you could stay in the Premier League forever, all you have to Dois win football matches and you're safe! Exciting innit. Talking of exciting how good was the last day of the Championship today! Fabulous stuff.
     
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  12. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    How did that "prudent business model" yo-yoing work out for Huddersfield Town this season?
     
  13. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    It worked out well for Sunderland too, I'm not so sure that they're happier (or richer!) since their fall from the Premier League! Leeds and West Brom looked really 'disappointed' with their promotion! :-D I bet their fans are looking forward to their 'inevitable' return to the Championship the season after next! They are destined To go straight back down aren't they? Or is that going to be Sheffield United? Who I have been reliably informed are just a 'one season wonder' like Leicester or Crystal Palace or Wolves or Burnley or Southampton or Brighton or West Ham the other 'one season wonders'.Perhaps they will all go down next year (apart from the clubs who have money of course......which is all of them I'm led to believe).
     
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  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I forgot about that.

    As for Wolves, they have a $100 billion company behind them. By comparison Man City's owner is worth $22 billion and FSG are worth $2.7 billion.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sheffield United are not like Leicester or Crystal Palace or Wolves or Burnley. The first 3 of those have had high profile managers and have signed world-class players. Burnley have wisely reinvested their post-relegation income and created a sustainable EPL team, at least for now. Sheffield United spend less on salaries than Chicago Fire did last season and they've finished in the top half through hard work and good fortune, by which I mean that their back 5 and keeper have managed to avoid injury. It will be interesting to see how they invest over the summer.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ha, hahaha, hahahaha, hahaha, haha, ha!

    They needed 2 points from their last 3 games to secure a playoff spot and went into today's game with a 6 goal advantage over their rivals!

    And they missed out!!!

    Ha, hahaha, hahahaha, hahaha, haha, ha!

    **** *** Nottingham Forest!

    Isn't pro/rel great!
     
  17. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    And, courtesy of a 91st minute winner for Barnsley, the first scenario is exactly what happened. Got to feel sorry for Brentford, who pissed away automatic promotion by losing their last two games. Watch them lose in the promotion playoff now, which is too bad given they haven't played at the top level since 1947.
     
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  18. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    It is!

    Swansea scored at 90+1, Forest conceded at 90+5. Absent those two goals in games that were already won and lost respectively, Forest would have had a better goal difference and clinched the last promotion playoff spot.
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Championship proved again today why i think its the most interesting league to watch in Europe. Every game is up for grabs. Nottingham falling out of the playoffs was crazy. None of the 5 teams that were the bottom 5 just 20 days ago were relegated today.
     
  20. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You get to restart on lower difficulty ... AND are given a (relative to your new competition) war chest with which to play with.

    Except that's the excitement of getting into the playoffs, not pro/rel.
     
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  21. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While relative value within a league matters, absolute value does as well.

    There's a baseline level of talent even the poorest team in the Prem can afford which would be out of reach for most clubs in most leagues.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to Transfermkt Sheffield United's combined annual payroll is US$15.2 million.
     
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  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Brentford the team owned by the guy who is a heavy believer in Sports Analytics/Big Believer in Money Ball? If so it would be interesting to see how that approach works in the EPL.

    Top to bottom one of if not the most competitive league in the world. Very topsy/turvy. That and it's a serious grind with 46 league games, plus League and FS Cup games as well.
     
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  24. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  25. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Well overdue, but I'll be amazed if it happens. Or if it happens in an enforceable manner.
     

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