Youth Yanks Abroad, ‘01-‘04 YOBs (and younger): 2019/20 Thread

I checked this. Norman and Taye Ashby-Hammond aren't anywhere near current English youth internationals. Their last YNT caps for England came over five years ago for both of them. Wickens hasn't been capped in over a year. Luca Ashby-Hammond does seem to be a current English Youth International. I wouldn't say Wickens is any more established though. Las and Wickens split games with the U-18's, and both have one start for the reserves. Las is also an '02, while Wickens is an '01. All those guys are at least a full age group older than Las, and I doubt all of them project as starters for Fulham's first team.

 

It's hard out there for a GK. Ethan Horvath did everything by the book -- went abroad young, moved up the ladder, served the YNTs -- and now he, like the rest of us, has to be like "Matt Turner WHO?" (This is not a rip on Horvath or Turner. It's just the way it goes.)

 

What the deal with Collodi? Never even heard his name. Has he ever been on YNTs.
His highlights look phenomenal. Those are just highlights off course, but he has Rimando like foot, great distribution, quickness, safe hands. Should have some major weaknesses not to be called in. Or just another late bloomer?

 

T'markt says he's been with the u16s in the past.

 

At the moment, Las doesn't project as a starter for Fulham either.

My point was simply that when a young keeper like Las goes to a Euro club like Fulham...............................he goes into a colossal competition. Las may have started as 3rd string with the U18s. There's a loooooooooooooooooooooooong way to go before he's even in a competition for a first team role. What I meant by "established" youth internatioonals was established at Fulham.

We have keeper after keeper after keeper that we announce going to Europe, and most of them disappear. What happened to those keepers we had a Reading? What happened to the keeper at Everton? Hansen? He was/is a dual international. According to transfermarkt, he played in 5 games in 2019/2020. He's with Everton's U23s and they have 4 keepers. How is he supposed to get better? I don't know. I really don't know.

Most of our USMNT keepers actually went to the NCAAs. That includes our current #1 Zach Steffen. So I think the opportunity at Clemson shouldn't be overlooked for Wilson. He'd have the chance to play in meaningful games right away.

 

He was on the national team landscape since U14, U16, dropped off a little at U18/U20 aparently. Maybe because he's an odd birth year born (2001), there wasn't as much hype about him. No U17 2017 WC and his main competition was called to last year's U20 2019 WC David Ochoa. Other than David, he was always competing with Nicolas Defreitas-Hansen.

I found some YNT history here. He was a regular:
https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-player-profile/michael-collodi/pid-90846

 

He did play a number of times with his YNT age group. Smaller keeper that has good reflexes and passes well out of the back. I don’t think he’s all too reliable, which you often have to be for a keeper his size. He might be ahead of Wilson in the FCD pecking order (I doubt it but I don’t have info that it’s incorrect), but Wilson is the much better pro prospect IMO. I don’t think it’s even close.

In the rankings I put out in December of the ‘01 age group Collodi was 89th overall (7th among GK’s). Wilson was 7th overall among 02’s (second among GK’s). I don’t think those rankings would change much for those two players now as opposed to December.

 

How do you know Las doesn’t project as the starter?

I understand your larger point. I was saying that I don’t think the competition ahead of Las is particularly problematic for him. If he gets a chance with the first team at some point is an entirely different discussion.

 

Sagir Arce started for new Liga MX side Mazatlan in the "Copa GNP" against Chivas and counterpart JJ Macias. Perhaps Mazatlan will be friendlier to Arce than other Liga MX clubs have been toward youth players. https://t.co/xthyjx7AQ0

— ChuckMe92 Soccer (@ChuckMe92Soccer) July 12, 2020

 

I will always respect your opinion (rankings) and a lot of people are grateful for the work you put on those rankings; however, to be clear, I'm not voicing my own opinion. I'm giving you facts:

From an FCD perspective pecking order:

1. If you look at DA game rosters where both players were present, Collodi always started while Wilson was on the bench. It's easy to look that up in the DA website.

2. Collodi played up (sometimes two years) from U14 onwards, Wilson didn't (maybe he did less than a handful of games, if that). It was very common to watch Collodi practice with the first team.

3. Collodi has been participating in NTSC training during the summer, Wilson is not. I didn't look up how many times each made a NTSC roster last season but I bet Collodi made way more before he left for Columbia than Wilson (1)?

From a YNT perspective pecking order:

1. Collodi was called up multiple times in different age groups, Wilson a couple within one cycle? I believe the one international tournament Wilson got called up to was with a backup 02 roster, playing down against 03s.

2. Collodi is somehow listed at 6'0 at Columbia (where he put up solid numbers). I'm sure he's taller when I see him in NTSC training. I don't know how tall Wilson is right now. Even at 6'0'', I am not sure you watched much of Collodi's other attributes. You'd be surprised the stats the FC Dallas GK coaches maintain on these players (his vertical jump is out of this world) which helps him offset his "vertical" deficit.

As a side note, your rankings compare players in their own age group. Both of these guys would be competing for a spot on Dallas first team -age is moot-. Also, as far as I know, Wilson is NOT part of the U20 MNT pool (Las and Odunze are), Collodi is too.

For the sake of the senior national team, I wish both good luck in future endeavors. They will be taking different paths. As I stated initially, GK careers are unpredictable. IMO (yes, my opinion), neither will end up playing for FC Dallas first team.

 

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Is there any reason that Kayo is going straight into the reserve team as opposed to the u19s, I thought KHF was the higher-regarded prospect?

 

Maybe the BigSoccer Consensus doesn't translate into German?

 

Probably his athleticism. It'll be a better challenge to see him against grown men.

 

Do you guys think this is a bad sign for KHF’s prospects at Wolfsburg, and do you think either are going to be first-team players by 2021?

 

Kayo should play with adults not run over the kids. That's it, their potentials are irrelevant.

 

I think generally a youth player going to Wolfsburg is a bad sign for their future prospects, but gotta fulfill those club/agent arrangements. Sucks there we have so many promising young yanks locked in there now. Just gotta hope for the best.

 

I have confidence that both are pretty good prospects, but 2021 is probably too soon for either in terms of first team opportunity. To be honest, neither of them have seemingly played actual games in quite a long time. And since the Bundesliga season is over, they probably are out of action for even longer. They must be incredibly "un-match fit." I'd say 2022 if things go according to plan. For me KHF is a better prospect than Kayo, but you never know.

I should note that on the Clint Eastwood prospect meter I don't have either of them in the category of the elite group (Pulisic, McKennie, Reyna, etc.) I think they're probably in the category of say...............Taylor Booth.

 

I doubt this has anything to do with where they're starting but Kobe just make his way to Germany late last week. No idea when Kayo traveled but for reference Wolfsburg II started training -medicals took place late last week- earlier than the 19s. I normally wouldn't draw conclusions where a prospect starts; however, both of them spent a significant amount of time training and scrimmaging abroad so they have been thoroughly evaluated.

 

Kobe in my opinion is in the Pulisic, McKennie, Reyna tier. He’s elite in every aspect of the game as a left back.

 

Those are two different tiers in and of themselves, I think.

Pulisic and Reyna both debuted in the Bundesliga in the first half being 17. I get that KHF hasn't had that chance, but having seen him versus Reyna and Pulisic, I think he's a step down from there.

I hope you are right, though.

 

.I want to see him run at full speed before making any judgements.

 

A 2002-born American player has received an EU passport and is looking at opportunities in Spain and Portugal.

This player has never received a USYNT call up.

— Daniel (@DanielSmith1022) July 13, 2020

 

Yeah, he's not an elite defender and I don't see elite athleticism either. Good enough, not anything that'll hold him back, but I really don't see the kid as an ace defensive player or running by people. Gomez is closer to elite in every category than KHF is.