Argentine NT: News, Stats & Players [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Dude, literally, nobody cares about the Maxi Lopez situation. There is no controversy.
     
  2. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Then in that case, I would still take Dybala over Icardi because Dybala is the all around better player especially when he plays alongside Messi
     
  3. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The last match v Chile, Messi-Dybala and Kun all linked up well for the short period they played together. The issue is Lautaro, does he start on the bench and push either Kun or Dybala to the bench or does Lautaro start on the bench? Scaloni needs to address that.

    And Icardi is not in direct competition with Dybala, Lautaro or Kun, I believe all of those players are locks, he’ll have to compete with the likes of Alario and perhaps even Gaich. We’ll see.
     
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  4. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Lautaro is better coming off the bench at this point
     
  5. Duchene2Mackinnon

    May 9, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    To answer your question from earlier I didn't forget Dybala. He's probably my favourite Argentinian not named Messi. Tied with Kun. However, because of Allegri in the NT they use him as a 10. If the idea is to use him in his rightful position at any point in his career. Then he can probably be implemented, until then we will see him underperform. I would take Dybala 10 times out of 10 over Icardi who's a one trick pony. nice trick though. I would like to see 2 up front with Dybala and Lautaro.

    I think you have to start Lautaro his record and play for the NT alone begs for it. For the time being Kun/Lautaro in front of Lio is the most promising. You can change Kun with Paulo though

    Alario and even Gaich to me aren't anything special. They should never start for NT. 6th or 7th options.

    I also wanna thank everyone for keeping the discussion alive. It's boring times... and I love Argentina footy. Wish this place was more active. though .
     
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  6. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Me too but in a 2 striker set up especially if you go 4-4-2 then Dybala and Lautaro makes the most sense up front with Messi playing directly behind them...can you say dangerous
     
  7. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Gaich is promising. How can you say he’s nothing special right now? He’s proven he scores goals at the youth level and has started well for Los Cuervos. Not sure what more you can ask of the kid. That’s what he has going for him and Alario is a big game player. No need to discount them. We have to see what they offer, that’s how we’ll learn. Not everybody is going to set the world on fire at 19. They are perhaps at the end of the pecking order but they’ll be considered, no doubt about it.

    As for this place being slow... That’s how it is everywhere. Football is at a standstill right now and this place tends to be active during the season and especially during a tournament. Regardless, welcome to the forum, same to @Ofori.
     
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  8. Duchene2Mackinnon

    May 9, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    With Gaich I'll be honest and I discriminate( for a lack of a better word) against his style of play. I just don't value big, tall target/danger man. I think the game as surpassed that. I much prefer a total 9. That can be involved in the build up and offer more than poacher goals. From what I've seen of him his technical ability, passing is not up to snuff. Sure he can serviceable as target man ala Mandzu/Giroud or Dzeko but i just don't like the style. It's very limited and if a team is very defensive its easy to isolate them from the game. By bunkering or even having a lack of the ball. Easy to defend teams that set up that way. Now he can develop and maybe be a Lewa but I'm not sold right now. Too many holes in his game. But we'll see. Argentina is blessed with attacking players I don't envision they ever have a need to play that style.

    Thanks appreciate it... still from reading this forum past few years I wish more were involved but that's due to people like me who for have years read this place and never chimed and add to the convo. I mean i have read you guys for so long I feel as though I already am familiar with some of the posters here. As weird as that is. But yeah im glad to be here. There's so many more sub discussion about youth players that just interests me.
     
  9. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    As long as Gaich continues to scores goals, he’ll be on Scaloni’s radar. He’ll be in Europe soon and we’ll see how he does once he gets there.


    As for BS Argentina, I think we are fairly active. I mean, it’s not the USA or the Mexican forum but we keep things updated almost everyday. Plus, I’d rather quality posters than have quantity.
     
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  10. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    But with Argentina however, this is probably Messi's last chance at winning a World Cup especially if he wants to end the GOAT discussion between himself and Cristiano Ronaldo that has been going on for over a decade and a half. Only way for Messi to end the GOAT debate is for him to win at international level for Argentina which means winning Copa America and the World Cup. Ronaldo has a EURO Cup title and a Nations League title with Portugal. If he wins the World Cup before Messi does, people will crown him as the GOAT to finally end the debate. Which is why for Messi not only is Copa America a must win title but so is the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar.
     
  11. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like target forwards like Gaich as a plan B at least. If you're desperate for a goal late in a match you're more likely to get one off a set piece with a guy like him than with a build up guy. Too many times we've been left with no options once a team just packs the box against us.
     
  12. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    If Messi wants to truly and forever be known as the GOAT, he has to do it on international level as well and he hasn't done it so really can he be considered the GOAT? I mean he has won it all at club level for Barca and he has won Ballon d'Or and Champions League but on the international stage for Argentina, he has done nothing as far as winning titles. It is kind of hard to dispute that fact.
     
  13. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    A couple things. One, you’re sounding like a troll right now trying to bait people into some type of argument and it’s not going to work. Second, this is an Argentina forum, not Messi. I think most of us here are fond of Messi but we aren’t homers. We support the shirt not merely the player.
     
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  14. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    I'm not trying to bait anyone actually but I'm merely stating facts and I actually am not trying to start an argument at all. I'm merely just saying that if Messi wants to be known as the GOAT he has to win it all for Argentina that's all I am really saying. Argentina clearly have the talent to win it all in 2022 but what I'm really saying is, is that they need the right coach to lead them. But also their talent is stacked in most areas but then there are also weak spots too within the team @SupaMario
     
  15. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Again, you’re sounding like a troll. Nobody here has that nor wants that debate and nobody gives two shit what Messi has to do to be called the GOAT. If you want that type of discussion then you can find it here on BS.
     
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  16. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Messi is one of my favorite players and he is the best footballer that I've ever seen but as SupaMario said, this is the Arg. NT forum. There are other forums where you can discuss who is the GOAT (and I'm frankly tired of this discussion). We want more posts like the bolded part that I highlighted.
     
  17. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Fine fair enough I apologize but like I said before I'll say it again Argentina have the talent but Scaloni may not stay on as manager and if he doesn't, then Argentina needs a manager certainly one that can lead them to glory. I mean last I heard wasn't Scaloni a caretaker until they could find a manager? If he has become the permanent manager, then that's cool. But if they do decide to ultimately move on from him, then there are managers who can take on the job should Scaloni leave. Personally I want him to stay on.
     
  18. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Scaloni has a renewed contract to stay as head coach until the end of the World Cup Qualifiers. I think that he should be kept for now as we had good performances since the Qatar match in the Copa 2019. I'm excited to see how this team develops after having established the core of the team.
     
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  19. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Under Scaloni, Argentina has developed an identity
     
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  20. Duchene2Mackinnon

    May 9, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Yup we'll see. I'm just not a fan of his game. I'll be the first and loudest to cheer if he scores in a final though. :p

    Messi is clearly better even without a international trophy. Many legend players don't have an international trophy. Cruyff being the best example or Di stefano. So, Lio doesn't need to win anything else to solidify his position. As for Ronaldo the nations cup is a joke. Made up tournament for money. It's a preseason trophy like the audi cup or super cups. Messi's olympic gold is worth way more and is often for forget about everyone. Regardless he will win a title for Argentina at some point. That might be bold of me to say but I truly believe Argentina takes the next copa. Not since 2014 have I entered a tournament with this much confidence. The team isn't depressing anymore.
     
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  21. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    My father passed away a week ago. Not due to coronavirus. He had been sick the past year or so.

    It is the most horrible time of my life.

    One of the best memories I shared with him was watching the 1986 World Cup final by his side. He was an Argentina fan; in fact, it was him who made me love the Argentina NT.

    I miss him so much.
     
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  22. Duchene2Mackinnon

    May 9, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    That's horrible I'm so sorry.
     
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  23. Moaiyad

    Moaiyad New Member

    Argentina
    Oct 18, 2018


    Messi’s first goal in the history of World cup (from Archive of Argentina enrollment in WC 2006)
     
  24. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Argentina winning 2021 Copa America...well they are favorites or at least one of the favorites to win it all
     
  25. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Argentina has been in 28 Copa finals and 7 times semifinalists. They will always be hot favorite by default. It doesnt matter who's playing, they'll usually make it to last 4 or a final. 28 finals and we only win half of them, and surprisingly Brazil record in a final is actually worst, winning only 9 out of 20 finals, but no doubt they've been better since 1994.

    I remember in 2015, we didnt actually played well, narrow wins at group stage, needed a shootout in QF but still ended up reaching the final.

    But winning the final itself or beating Uruguay and Brazil at KO stage is another thing. They've been unable to do it for many years. As Simeone said recently, opponents like Germany and Brazil are simply stronger mentally than Argentina, that's a fact.
     
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