The market I was at today (Belmont) had signs up saying "don't touch stuff unless you're going to buy it, or let the farmer pick produce for you". And most of the farmers now take credit cards using Square or whatever new tech lets them attach a little doohickey to their phone to run cards through. And it wasn't so crowded that it was pretty straightforward to stay 6' away from each other - this may be unusual, the markets we went to before (San Mateo and San Carlos) were way more crowded, but the Belmont market today was not crowded at all. They had lines drawn in chalk on the pavement to let people line up away from the booth and 6' away from each other, then go and get your stuff and pay and then the next person goes. I was closer to a lot more people at the Whole Foods on Friday than at the farmers' market today.
The CDC specifically issued a warning about using this treatment. It may be effective, depending on how it's administered, but it also is prone to cause cardiac arrest.
That is great -- none of the farmers at our closest markets (Menlo Park/Palo Alto) seem to accept credit cards. If they went to a farmer-picked model, that would be different. We have been avoiding grocery stores, but it looks as though the new infection rate is receding in California. So maybe in a few more weeks, I will feel safer stepping into a Whole Foods. It's one of the things I miss most!
It's prohibited in every state to administer prescription drugs in non-approved manners. This is regulated by the FDA, not governors. Meanwhile the lupus patients who rely on these drugs for their long-approved treatments can no longer get them due to a run of bogus prescriptions and hoarding.
None of this is new, but it's nice to have it all in one place. Yes Trump is directly responsible for where we are and where we will be in a few weeks; it doesn't reduce the failures of past Presidents, but we're all given debt we have to overcome when we take a new job and it's our responsibility to deal with it: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-politics-us-health-disaster
I read some cultural things too... like Italians seem to intermingle the elderly with the young people more (frequent large family gatherings)... I'd call that a significant strength typically but now it's worked against them :\
That's not the either/or. The problem is that practitioners who don't really know what they are doing are likely to do more harm than good. As ThreeApples pointed out, the protocols are strictly regulated. From the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html "There are no currently available data from Randomized Clinical Trials (RCTs) to inform clinical guidance on the use, dosing, or duration of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Although optimal dosing and duration of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 are unknown, some U.S. clinicians have reported anecdotally different hydroxychloroquine dosing such as: 400mg BID on day one, then daily for 5 days; 400 mg BID on day one, then 200mg BID for 4 days; 600 mg BID on day one, then 400mg daily on days 2-5" So basically everyone is seat-of-the-pantsing it right now. It might work. It might kill you. Best not to get sick in the first place.
I'm just trying to keep the discussion fact based. I wasn't the one who said New Yorkers die at a different rate than the data says they do.
Yes, Yes, and bullcrap. No one is dying from using this treatment. I've not seen ONE hint of that. Show links or quit making up alarmist posts. CDC has validated it's safe for Malaria and has been for years. The ONLY question is whether it is EFFECTIVE.
This is absolutely false. It's called using drugs 'off-label' and its done every day. I've seen estimates that 30% of pharmacy subscriptions are off-label.
In normal times, it absolutely makes sense to have a long test protocol. For normal health conditions, the lack of a treatment means a few will die during the test period, but you have to protect the many that could die if a drug is not safe. This is not a normal time. The stakes are much higher, and we know that the test period is too long to prevent many deaths. Lives that could be spared if the treatment is effective.
But apparently governors know medicine better despite no formal training? I'll take a decision made between me and my doctor, thank you.
All the posters who criticize Trump pretty much loose all credibility to me when they don't criticize a governor making blanket medical decisions for their citizens, instead of letting the medical doctors figure out what works best.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-coronavirus-covid-19-link-hydroxychloroquine ]https://www.lupusresearch.org/march...hortage-into-perspective-for-lupus-community/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0200325-f3g6dwdc2zaqdcerk4piauuoei-story.html https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229290 https://www.businessinsider.com/chl...-coronavirus-treatment-lupus-arthritis-2020-3
In Nevada the governor's order was specifically an attempt to prevent hoarding so that the on-label lupus patients can still get the drug. https://www.politifact.com/factchec...vative-group-meme-distorts-nevadas-chloroqui/
That’s actually a great response. We’ve seen the idiot stockpiling mindset with paper goods, it’s not hard to imagine irrational people trying to do the same with medication.
Ouch! and good luck to your daughter. I see the dilemma here posed by the shortage of drugs. The first thing is, we don't know if hydroxychloroquine actually works. No drug trials on that, and even if we're doing some they aren't finished yet. I see that someone posted that no one had died from using this drug. Someone died from using some drug to treat himself, but I don't recall the drug. In any case, self-medicating is a bad idea. (Unless we're talking whiskey, then it's OK.) Finding a treatment would be good, especially if that treatment is an existing, already approved drug, because the approval process for using it for the BudLight virus would be much faster than a brand new, as yet untested and unapproved drug. But this all goes to hoarding behavior and ... selfishness. Sure, in some few corner cases, stocking up on supplies is reasonable, like if you live far from the store or have issues getting there. But we're going to need to increase our production of certain items, while others we won't need for a while. (I do not need new cleats, nor new hiking boots, nor a new swimsuit, nor many other things. (I don't need a new guitar either, but I want one!) The next few months will be rocky for all of us. Good luck everyone!! (Except Galactofilth fans. F@#$# them!) - Mark
I assume it is very easy to track which doctors are prescribing these drugs and pay them a visit to enquire about their justification of the prescription
You would hope so, but we all know that when things like this happen, people with money will find a way to get their hands on it. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about pharmacy thefts. If there are profits to be made, graft will find a way.