Alert: Covid-19 and our favorite team

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  1. Smurfquake

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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    The market I was at today (Belmont) had signs up saying "don't touch stuff unless you're going to buy it, or let the farmer pick produce for you". And most of the farmers now take credit cards using Square or whatever new tech lets them attach a little doohickey to their phone to run cards through. And it wasn't so crowded that it was pretty straightforward to stay 6' away from each other - this may be unusual, the markets we went to before (San Mateo and San Carlos) were way more crowded, but the Belmont market today was not crowded at all. They had lines drawn in chalk on the pavement to let people line up away from the booth and 6' away from each other, then go and get your stuff and pay and then the next person goes. I was closer to a lot more people at the Whole Foods on Friday than at the farmers' market today.
     
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  2. TyffaneeSue

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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    The CDC specifically issued a warning about using this treatment. It may be effective, depending on how it's administered, but it also is prone to cause cardiac arrest.
     
  3. TyffaneeSue

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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    That is great -- none of the farmers at our closest markets (Menlo Park/Palo Alto) seem to accept credit cards. If they went to a farmer-picked model, that would be different.

    We have been avoiding grocery stores, but it looks as though the new infection rate is receding in California. So maybe in a few more weeks, I will feel safer stepping into a Whole Foods. It's one of the things I miss most!
     
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  4. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    It's prohibited in every state to administer prescription drugs in non-approved manners. This is regulated by the FDA, not governors. Meanwhile the lupus patients who rely on these drugs for their long-approved treatments can no longer get them due to a run of bogus prescriptions and hoarding.
     
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  5. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
  6. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  7. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    I read some cultural things too... like Italians seem to intermingle the elderly with the young people more (frequent large family gatherings)... I'd call that a significant strength typically but now it's worked against them :\
     
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  8. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    We're going to pass that in about a week and quadruple it (at least) in two.
     
  9. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    So do you let them die from Covid-19? or treat and MAYBE have a cardiac arrest?
     
  10. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    This applies to my daughter.
     
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  11. TyffaneeSue

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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    That's not the either/or. The problem is that practitioners who don't really know what they are doing are likely to do more harm than good. As ThreeApples pointed out, the protocols are strictly regulated.

    From the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html

    "There are no currently available data from Randomized Clinical Trials (RCTs) to inform clinical guidance on the use, dosing, or duration of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Although optimal dosing and duration of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 are unknown, some U.S. clinicians have reported anecdotally different hydroxychloroquine dosing such as: 400mg BID on day one, then daily for 5 days; 400 mg BID on day one, then 200mg BID for 4 days; 600 mg BID on day one, then 400mg daily on days 2-5"

    So basically everyone is seat-of-the-pantsing it right now. It might work. It might kill you. Best not to get sick in the first place.
     
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  12. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    I'm just trying to keep the discussion fact based. I wasn't the one who said New Yorkers die at a different rate than the data says they do.
     
  13. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    Yes, Yes, and bullcrap.

    No one is dying from using this treatment. I've not seen ONE hint of that. Show links or quit making up alarmist posts.

    CDC has validated it's safe for Malaria and has been for years. The ONLY question is whether it is EFFECTIVE.
     
  14. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    This is absolutely false. It's called using drugs 'off-label' and its done every day. I've seen estimates that 30% of pharmacy subscriptions are off-label.
     
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  15. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    In normal times, it absolutely makes sense to have a long test protocol. For normal health conditions, the lack of a treatment means a few will die during the test period, but you have to protect the many that could die if a drug is not safe.

    This is not a normal time. The stakes are much higher, and we know that the test period is too long to prevent many deaths. Lives that could be spared if the treatment is effective.
     
  16. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    This is alarmist conjecture. Provide some links showing Lupus patients are getting treated.
     
  17. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    But apparently governors know medicine better despite no formal training? I'll take a decision made between me and my doctor, thank you.
     
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  18. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    All the posters who criticize Trump pretty much loose all credibility to me when they don't criticize a governor making blanket medical decisions for their citizens, instead of letting the medical doctors figure out what works best.
     
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  19. ThreeApples

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    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    In Nevada the governor's order was specifically an attempt to prevent hoarding so that the on-label lupus patients can still get the drug.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...vative-group-meme-distorts-nevadas-chloroqui/
     
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  20. jeff_adams

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    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    That’s actually a great response. We’ve seen the idiot stockpiling mindset with paper goods, it’s not hard to imagine irrational people trying to do the same with medication.
     
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  21. falvo

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    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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  22. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Ouch! and good luck to your daughter.

    I see the dilemma here posed by the shortage of drugs. The first thing is, we don't know if hydroxychloroquine actually works. No drug trials on that, and even if we're doing some they aren't finished yet.

    I see that someone posted that no one had died from using this drug. Someone died from using some drug to treat himself, but I don't recall the drug. In any case, self-medicating is a bad idea. (Unless we're talking whiskey, then it's OK.)

    Finding a treatment would be good, especially if that treatment is an existing, already approved drug, because the approval process for using it for the BudLight virus would be much faster than a brand new, as yet untested and unapproved drug.

    But this all goes to hoarding behavior and ... selfishness. Sure, in some few corner cases, stocking up on supplies is reasonable, like if you live far from the store or have issues getting there.

    But we're going to need to increase our production of certain items, while others we won't need for a while. (I do not need new cleats, nor new hiking boots, nor a new swimsuit, nor many other things. (I don't need a new guitar either, but I want one!)

    The next few months will be rocky for all of us. Good luck everyone!! (Except Galactofilth fans. F@#$# them!)

    - Mark
     
  23. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    I assume it is very easy to track which doctors are prescribing these drugs and pay them a visit to enquire about their justification of the prescription
     
  24. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    You would hope so, but we all know that when things like this happen, people with money will find a way to get their hands on it. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about pharmacy thefts. If there are profits to be made, graft will find a way.
     
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