Expectations for the Hex

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by DHC1, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    the hope is that he's improved markedly and could help them win for a relatively cheap price. I do agree that it's hard for mid career MLS lifers to make the jump. I don't know when the definition of mid-career starts however: i fear it's a lot younger than most anticipate.
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The point is why is RBNY valuing so high if RBS and and RBL don't rate him that high? If he's not good enough that they want him on the cheap then why is RBNY holding up a move to Europe by claiming they value him much higher?
     
  3. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because his value to them is higher. It will be harder for them to replace his level of play with what their paying him with the MLS salary cap constructs then it would be for a team in a free market situation.
     
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  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    A lot is just up to the desires and ambitions of the individual players.
    It sure looks like everything FCD and Cannon have done over the past year has set him up for a move in this summer window. (Unfortunately, coronavirus is really getting in the way. The Olympics would have been a great "shop window.") Reggie has made no secret of his European ambitions, while at the same time being a perfect representative of FCD.

    Pomykal appears to be in "settling down" mode. He signed a big-money, long-term extension. He apparently bought a new house, and just looooooooooooooooooves being an FCD player. Loves Luchi Gonzalez (who was also his academy coach for years). When Pomykal has talked about moving to Europe, his comments have been more along the lines of "that might be something to look into one day." It doesn't appear to be a primary motivation for Pax at the moment. Situations change, though.

    Ferreira too, by the way. I've never heard about any transfer interest from abroad in Ferreira. And I've never heard Ferreira say anything assertive about European ambitions. He seems totally committed to FCD, where he's been since 2009. But who knows.......................
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Hope? Hope is not something teams are looking for in a player that age. Teams want more of a sure thing. MLS isn't a sure thing.
     
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  6. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Yet, MLS wants to price it's outgoing transfers as if they were high probability players. That seems to be the disconnect.
     
  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Only thing I dislike about Pomykal in MLS is that the refs don't protect him enough.
     
  8. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Fair enough. Hopefully, the USMNT squad is improving to near the point where we can field an entire starting team and eventually almost an entire roster with major league players. Then players will have to decide how important the USMNT is relative to their comfort (similar to Nagbe). We're not so far from being able to field an all major league team (barring injury)!!!!

    Pulisic - Reyna - Weah
    Adams - Weston - Morales
    Dest - Brooks - Open - yedlin
    Steffen

    I'm not saying that this is my starting eleven but we may soon get to the point where the Mexican national team has more players on the field from MLS than the USMNT. I can't wait....
     
  9. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    MLS is the selling party. Maybe they overvalue him.
     
  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Yep.

    McBride played in two world cups and did two loan stints before he got his permanent transfer.

    Bocanegra trialed on a free transfer to get his EPL contract.

    Holden had to engage in an extended trial to get his long term contract with Bolton.

    Yedlin got his contract on the back of World Cup performances.

    There's never been a serious demand for MLS vets.
     
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  11. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    furthermore, as post 228 notes, MLS values its own players fairly highly so there's a disconnect. Players should realize when signing that the chances of making a mid-career move from MLS to better leagues is pretty low due to structural reasons. If, knowing all that, an MLS players signs a non-HG contract, well, that's on them.

    I feel quite differently about youth players and the 3+2 contract and fixed geographic areas.
     
  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Payrolls are a much smaller % of MLS costs--25% vs over 50% for most euro teams. Also, given the free agency restrictions, and the ridiculous 1+1 option years, players have very little leverage when their contracts are running down.

    The result is there is less incentive to shift low price, high performing assets for anything but very favorable terms for MLS clubs.
     
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  13. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No American players has pulled the just leave and dare MLS like a couple of foreign players have. MLS relented both times and didn't go to court to enforce so they don't think it's a slam dunk those extensions are valid or they know they aren't. An American or Canadian will pull that someday and then we'll know one way or the other.
     
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  14. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    can you pls walk me through the issues involved? why wouldn't they win?

    thanks.
     
  15. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Back in the day, the decision to run down a contract and peace-out to Europe was much easier. MLS contracts were that low. NYRB had Tim Ream on a contract $40k-$60k. Yet, they turned down an offer from Arsenal and offered to bump him up to ~$150k!!! Under such circumstances, it was easier to tell MLS to kick rocks.

    The contracts much higher now. A multi-year contract on $700k-$1 million per year is very life-changing, even if on the low-end for what could be had if one were to succeed in a top-5.
     
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  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
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  17. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
  18. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    To win the Hex, we’d likely have to get at least two points in our matches with them.

    here’s a question: how should we lineup against them? It pains me to say that Jiminez is probably the best player in CONCACAF and we have to account for him at all times.

    how should we do that?
     
  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Set a low block, spread the field, err on the side of adding creative players, don't force playing out of the back.
     
  20. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I’d err on the side of adding athletic physical defensive players. We have players who can attack (Pulisic, Reyna, Dest, ARobinson, Morris) even if we don’t have a 9. Our next-in-line creative players wouldn’t make the cut for Mexico’s squad, let alone get playing time so it seems folly to play into Mexico’s strengths IMO.

    let’s make them pay for possession in our half via speed, tenacity and power. It’s a style of play they don’t respect and that gives us an opportunity.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Erring on the side athletic physical defensive players has been the path to defeat, since the demise of JJ.
     
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  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Saucedo is excellent on both sides of the ball.

    Holmes can play wide and centrally. I'd prefer to start centrally one of Holmes, Reyna, or Pulisic.
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Would just go with this against Mexico. Sub in Yedlin for Saucedo to get even more pace into the attack, late in in the match
     
  24. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Respectfully disagree. we built around lost-his-legs Bradley and, to a lesser extent, trapp as our centerpiece in 2016-2019. That’s a terrible idea
     
  25. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    would saucedo make the squad for Mexico? I don’t recall much exciting about him at RSL. Open to seeing how he looks
     

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