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  1. Deleted User x

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    You completely DESTROYED him with your well researched responses and provided so much information that many of us here were unaware of. You thoroughly won that "debate" and were the one who caused him to crack and drove him to create his fake sock accounts.

    WELL DONE GILBERTO!!
     
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  2. Gilbertsson

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    I already placed some videos of carnival, when they celebrated his birthday with the red star. It was not Sweet 16th, probably 128.:rolleyes: Who counts anyway.

    OK, but why he had war battles with units that wanted Croatia, without other participants? It's the same according to you. Croatia, Yugoslavia. It was all acted up?

    Entire war passed with Yugoslav Partisans against Croatia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Croatia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslavia

    99000 of people died because they fought for Croatia.

    [​IMG] 170,000 (1943)[3]
    130,000 (1945)[4]

    [​IMG] 100,000 (1943)[12]
    800,000 (1945)[13]

    So much about your theory "All under Yugoslav banner"
    I wonder who were those 700 000 of soldiers who joined in Partisans after Italian capitulation? Maybe Serbian Chetniks? Maybe ordinary Serbs? Montenegrin? Macedonians?

    You never explain how people fought for Kingdom of Yugoslavia and Communist Yugoslavia. Communists liked Monarchy and Serbian Orthodoxy.:D Say NO to Lenin.
     
  3. Leonardo Musupic

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    Jan 23, 2020
    Why would an open white supremacist actually care that other fascists mutilated and killed innocent women and children?

    The Jasenovac concentration camp (Serbo-Croatian: Logor Jasenovac / Логор Јасеновац, pronounced [lôːgor jasěnoʋat͡s]; Yiddish: יאסענאוואץ‎) was an extermination camp established in Slavonia by the authorities of the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) during World War II. The camp was established and operated solely by the governing Ustaše regime rather than by Nazi Germany as in the rest of occupied Europe.[4] It was one of the largest concentration camps in Europe[5] and it has been referred to as "the Auschwitz of the Balkans" and "the Yugoslav Auschwitz".[6]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

    Even the Nazi's themselves were horrified with the mutilations carried out by Croatian Nationalists.

    They were so brutal even the Spaniards of Franco's regime and the Nazi's didn't want to be around when they mutilated children and women. There are tons of eye witness accounts of this. You're the only one denying it and voluntarily admitting that you are not ashamed of this at all.

    Since Gilbertsson ignores these atrocities because he wasn't born, maybe you can help him? Try telling me this was okay.

    Sisak children's concentration camp officially called "Shelter for Children Refugees" was a concentration camp during World War II located in Sisak, set up by the Ustaše government of the Nazi-puppet state, the Independent State of Croatia, for Serbian, Jewish and Romani children. It was part of the Jasenovac extermination camp.[1][2]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisak_children's_concentration_camp
    The camp's commander was Dr. Antun Najžer, a physician known as the "Croatian Mengele".[3][4]

    62 best Ustasa images, that never really happened according to you
    https://www.pinterest.com.au/pavlestatebriga/ustaše/

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    The camp's commander was Dr. Antun Najžer, a physician known as the "Croatian Mengele".[3][4]

    For four violent years, the Ustaše wrote pages of Croatian history in blood. Their actions were so violent that to even their Nazi collaborators protested them.

    Meet The Ustaše, The Brutal Nazi Allies Even Hitler Couldn’t Control
    By Richard Stockton
    Published August 5, 2019 Updated August 12, 2019
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/ustase

    Only nazi apologists and fascists could support Gilbertsson's views. At least three of you are openly in support, the rest should come out of hiding, wherever you are.
     
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  4. Gilbertsson

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    He only tries to forge the last year of WWII and after the war. These crimes were made in mostly peaceful times, so he wants to represent something that could wash the faces of communists.
    When I pull legitimate Italian politician who mentions only Tito as the criminal, Leonardo tries to place the worldview of Salvini.
    Nice path, all anti-communists are horrible nationalists. Salvini was born in Milano. He probably knows better than Leonardo.

    Daily Newspapers, 28th August 1972:
    https://archivio.unita.news/assets/main/1972/08/28/page_005.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Security_Administration_(Yugoslavia)
    1972 [​IMG] Italy Rosemarie Bahorić, Stjepan Ševo, Tatjana Ševo
     
  5. Gilbertsson

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    Leonardo Musupic Josip Broz Tito was a Croat. So probably all acts were his idea. Deep down he was a right-wing person. Brilliant master mind. After all he served in Homeguard. He absorbed all three main ideologies in himself and locked them inside with his special key. After all he was a locksmith. Lets go with that now.:rolleyes:

    I wasn't born in that period. I am younger than you at least 25 years according to your hands and your old men's spots.
     
  6. Leonardo Musupic

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    No It's not. It's not over till I say so.

    The Ustaše brutalized and massacred upwards of 300,000 Serbians, 30,000 Jews, and 29,000 Gypsies throughout their four-year reign of terror in Croatia.

    The Ustaše, together with Croat authorities, would kill between 320,000 and 340,000 ethnic Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina between in just one year between 1941 and 1942.

    “Serbian and Jewish men, women and children were literally hacked to death,” historian Jonathan Steinberg wrote.

    in 1992 600,000 ethnic Serbs living inside the borders of Croatia were either killed or exiled and land stolen during the independence wars. Now they seek to return to reclaim land that was theirs but the fascists in control of Croatia are threatening them again.
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/ustase

    You support this.

    Yes Tito was Croatian. You finally but reluctantly admit this. You agree that you are wrong when you say it was impossible for former Ustase to come to power in communist regime's? There's prime facie evidence right there that you are wrong. When those of you who hold dear the hatred of the fascists finally can admit to the atrocities by the fascist-nationalists then we can begin repairing the damage this has done in the psyche of human kind.
     
  7. Gilbertsson

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    Until the fat lady sings. You are making the copy paste from your party master. At least I showed my own opinion.
    So, you are trying to point that Josip Broz Tito was a right-wing person now? After the WWII?
    So, why would he kill all anti-communists in Rijeka, Istra, Trieste?
    Victims of Foibe should be left-wing people?
    Again, you started to amuse us with your logical conclusions.:sleep:
    You know that I will crush you again? Do you see the Deja Vu?
     
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  8. Gilbertsson

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    Serbs of Croatia, census.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Croatia

    1931[165] 636,518 16.81%
    1948[166] 543,795 14.47%

    Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

    1931 1,028,139 44.25% 2,323,555
    1948 1,136,116 44.29% 2,565,277

    The number of Serbs became even higher after the WWII in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
    The difference in Croatia is only 92 723.
    The similar number of victims is in Jasenovac.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

    Around 100,000
    Croats and Bosnian Muslims 5,000–12,000

    Also, your communists made the census in 1948 for both countries.

    How come we don't see this difference: 320,000 and 340,000 in both countries?

    Check the census. I mentioned the Deja Vu.:thumbsup:

    Against the logics, against the mathematics - Leonardo Musupic.:confused:
     
  9. Gilbertsson

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    Number of Croats in Croatia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Croatia

    1931: 2,641,144
    1948: 2,975,399

    Number of Croats in Bosnia and Herzegovina:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

    Census 1991: 760,852
    Census 2013: 544,780

    So, Kingdom of Yugoslavia made the 1931 census and Communist Yugoslavia made the census in 1948. Your numbers don't go with logics.

    The surname Najzer is a evidently German surname. Even you see it. Surnames that end on -er are mostly German. In original German way it was Neiser.
     
  10. Leonardo Musupic

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    What math? What logic? You think that posting a census of people living in a region makes documented history disappear? All you're doing it trying like your fellow Croatian Nationalists to rewrite history.

    You couldn’t crush a fly unless you managed to catch one with your keyboard, and then you wouldn’t be able to hack through wikipedia to sew together a stream of apologetic wet dreams absolving the Croatian Nationalist of any wrong doing. Let’s see, so far according to your poorly imagined revisionist history Croatians were not responsible for the Ustase crimes in any way. According to you it was Hungarian, Serb, Czech and Germans mostly. In this poorly formed argument the Serbian was allowed to represent a Croatian Nationalist movement, but when it comes to the reverse being true in the Yugoslavian army it is impossible for a Croatian Nationalist to serve, even though the chief and commander Bro Tito was previously a Ustase trained militant.

    In May 1913,[31] Broz was conscripted into the Austro-Hungarian Army,[33][e] for his compulsory two years of service. He successfully requested to serve with the 25th Croatian Home Guard (Croatian: Domobran) Regiment garrisoned in Zagreb.

    Although initially significant numbers of ethnic Croat officers from the old Yugoslav army joined the Croatian Home Guard, the new Ustaše puppet regime.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Home_Guard_(World_War_II)

    You cannot comment on the atrocities of the Ustaše because you weren’t born in that time, but you can comment on it’s ethnical diversity, right? You’re an open supporter of their crimes.

    Finally you have no comment on the rise of far right wing nazi ideology amongst Croatians at home and abroad in this current time period when you are alive to witness this taking place. When I post pictures like this, you probably stand up and give the salute, am I right?

    Curiously which one of these fans are you?

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    A flag that Gilbertsson is proud of.
     
  11. Gilbertsson

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    I don't visit football matches. I am not violent like you.
     
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  12. Leonardo Musupic

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    You don't like football but spend most of your time revising history on a football forum? You apologize for Croatian violence. Hang your head in shame.
     
  13. Gilbertsson

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  14. Leonardo Musupic

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    More revision to absolve the Croatian. You're a robot. Sieg Heil Gilbertsson.
     
  15. Gilbertsson

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    I like football but mostly as TV spectator. Not so fierce in visiting.
     
  16. Leonardo Musupic

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    Right, you're mostly interested in pretending Croatia is innocent in all of it's history. I get it.
     
  17. Gilbertsson

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    OK, but tell me about Fedor Dragojlov? What ethnic group was he?

    You became boring with flags. It's not so amusing like when I watched Sheldon Copper "Fun with flags".

    That flag has ordinary shield and cross. The usual elements of medieval times. But it's not the official flag at all. You don't know the official flags and fantasy flags. This was a fantasy flag.
     
  18. Gilbertsson

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    Yes, but I am destroying you in the field of surname etymology, onomastics. Or onomastikos in Greek. That's called science. What can I do, if I notice non-Croatian surnames in Ustase movement. You can only watch how my onomastikos works. And you know that I am correct here. Only you are now surprised how many non-Croatian surnames exists in Croatia. It shakes your Pan-Slavism, why do we want mostly non-Slavic Croatia as our Soviet, Slavic brothers?
     
  19. Deleted User x

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    There are big protests happening throughout Canada against the creation of a natural gas pipeline. The protesters even managed to close Via Rail's busiest route for close to one week now.

    What side do you guys take in this? The environment or the economy? Land rights or the government?

    Interesting to see what Trudeau will do.
     
  20. Leonardo Musupic

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    Good you admit it.

    LOL, now that make me much laugh loud. You’re a riot Gilbert. You’re too young to comment on the crimes of Croatian born and bred murderers of the Ustasa but you're not too young to succumb to imaginary arguments and can take one or two names and trace their history back to Hungary or Serbia?

    That’s a height of delusion I don’t think I’ve ever seen before. The best part is you call it science, but at least you admit to pretending Croatia did not wrong at any point in history. Is there anything else Croatia did not do wrong that we need to know about before you go back to carving up wikipedia?

    I win again.
     
  21. Leonardo Musupic

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    Gilbert wishing he was so good looking

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  22. Deleted User x

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    Have you seen his post about communist Cuba being a model for gay rights? :ROFLMAO:

    How can someone be so wrong?
     
  23. Rosay

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    build the damn pipeline already. If a Conservative was PM the damn thing woulda been built years ago
     
  24. Gilbertsson

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    Why am I not surprised when you adore mugshot people.

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    Women rights

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    When I see his chidhood photo, I know that something might wrong here.

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    Screenplay for potential blockbuster. It's not comedy...better watch this after 11:30 PM.

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    I have Mediterranean appearance, frankly nothing to be jealous about his images.:)
     
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  25. Gilbertsson

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    No, he is juggling only and adapting. I asked him this before few months: can he remember any LGBTQ Love Parade in Soviet and Yugoslav society before 1990, he said nothing. Link about the persecution in Yugoslavia until 1970's...also ignored. What do you expect? :D
     
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