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  1. totti fan

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  2. Gilbertsson

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    #18602 Gilbertsson, Feb 10, 2020
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    One day without of my presence here, and what do I see:
    - ignored LGBTQ rights in Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. Members of LGBTQ community were considered as people with serious illness, they were placed on the streets so that officials could mock with their choice and lifestyle.

    - make Soviet Union great again?
    1. When was Soviet Union great ever?
    2. Why isn't Soviet Union not so great?
    3. How can Leonardo Musupic adore the capitalist Putin as Rising Tsar (Rising Star), if he doesn't have anything with the Soviet Union and if he worked hard to remove the communist past with introduction of Russian Orthodox religion?

    Confirmation of my earlier posts: Communists have never left, they only took what's left. The poverty of ex-Soviet Union and ex-Yugoslav countries is the main postulate of ex-communists. You indirectly confirmed this.:ROFLMAO:

    Leonardo Musupic, Totti Fan and I see their 3rd account here with Russian flag...constantly try to make Ustase and Partisan Yugoslavs as something equal.
    Yugoslav Partisans were people of several ethnic groups, but they declined those groups for the name of Yugoslavia.

    Partisan Yugoslav crimes are justified here as an act of right - wing nationalists who took the Yugoslav banners and pretended to be as the winners.
    If this is so true, how can Leonardo Musupic have so many photos of people in Australia, who obviously like Ustase and obviously hate Partisans. If they were equal, why are these people in Australia? They could remain in Yugoslavia, get the nicely paid jobs, free departments, nice communist education, free washing machine for the Day of the Republic 29th Novemeber for their socialist fashion brands and also for their brains. But no, they left in Australia, plus in many other countries in Europe, USA, Canada, South America, South Africa, New Zealand...

    If Yugoslav Partisans are so great, why no one commemorates the battles of Sutjeska, Neretva

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Black

    [​IMG] Josip Broz Tito (WIA)
    [​IMG] Sava Kovačević

    Sava is a Montenegrin, highly educated figure:

    "Kovačević was born in the village of Nudo near Grahovo to father Blagoje and mother Jovana (née Perović), into a family of Montenegrin peasants. In his early age he worked as a lumberjack and blacksmith and adopted communism, becoming a member of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (KPJ) in 1925. He gradually rose through the party ranks, became one of the communist leaders in Montenegro. He was often arrested for his activities."

    Why was he arrested?

    His acts in battles demonstrated that he fought against Ustase.

    And Musupic clones tries to forge that Ustase liberated Rijeka, Istra and Trieste under the Yugoslav flag with Serbian words: Živela Jugoslavia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_White

    Among Yugoslav Partisans there were ethnic Croats also, who only fought for Yugoslavia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicko_Krstulović

    Even authentic communists can have problems thanks to communists. They removed his son Maksim in London. Imagine this, Partisan hero, who gave to his son a Russian name Maxim was later removed in London. Surname Krstulovic has Latin origins because of this -ul- inside of his surname. And the word Krst means The Cross. How interesting, battles against the religion with the Krst (Cross) in hist surname. Older word for Christians in ex-Yugoslavia is the word Krstjani.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Church

    "...called themselves simply krstjani ("Christians")"

    Few logical questions:
    Why was his son in London, who financed his life there, if we know that he fell off the horse during the battle?

    Typhoid fever was something normal among Yugoslav Partisans.

    Other battle officials don't have Croatian origins. TIto has, but he was a communist Yugoslav, just like Krstulovic.

    [​IMG] Josip Broz Tito - educated locksmith
    [​IMG] Arso Jovanović - he fought for the Kingdom of Serbia until 1910 and later for Communist Yugoslavia. Interesting, communist who fought for monarchy system. Logically: Kingdom of Serbia was named as Kingdom of Yugoslavia in 1918. Serbian Monarchy with peasant origins goes with Serbian Orthodox Christianity.

    "Allegiance Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Democratic Federal Yugoslavia, Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia"

    [​IMG] Velimir Terzić - no biography in English.
    [​IMG] Koča Popović
    "Popović came from a prosperous Belgrade family and spent the First World War in Switzerland.[2][3] In 1929, he moved to Paris to study Law and Philosophy. Here he mixed with the Left Bank world of poets, writers, artists and intellectuals.[4] He became an active Surrealist, active in both the French and Serbian Surrealist groups.[2] In 1931 Nacrt za jednu fenomenologiju iracionalnog (Outline for a Phenomenology of the Irrational) was published which he had co-written with Marko Ristić.[2]
    He then became involved with the then illegal Yugoslav Communist Party. In Paris there was a centre run by Comintern and headed by Tito which was used to feed volunteers from the Balkans to the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War. Popović was drafted through this center along with a select group of Party members. Popović fought with Spanish Republican forces and not the International Brigades, holding the rank of artillery captain. At the close of the Spanish Civil War Popović escaped through France and made his way back to Yugoslavia."


    [​IMG] Peko Dapčević - strong ties with Orthodox Christianity, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Red Army...

    "Was a famous Montenegrin and Yugoslav communist who fought as a volunteer in the Spanish Civil War, joined the Partisan uprising in Montenegro, and became commander of the Yugoslav 1st Proletarian Corps, 1st and 4th Armies.

    General Dapčević led the Partisan troops that, along with Soviet Red Army under General Vladimir Zhdanov, liberated Belgrade on October 20, 1944. He was the first person to be proclaimed as honorary citizen of Belgrade. In 1953 Dapčević was named Chief of the Yugoslav General Staff, but was demoted as a result of being indirectly involved in the Đilas troubles with the party. Born in the village of Ljubotinj (near Cetinje), Kingdom of Montenegro, his father Jovan was an Orthodox deacon. He had one sister Danica Dapčević who was a public teacher, and brothers Milutin - Yugoslavia Kingdom's Military Officer, Dragutin - Major of Yugoslav Armies and Vlado Dapčević - who was a famous revolutionary, dissident and anti-revisionist."

    [​IMG] Pero Ćetković
    No biography in English, he died in 1943. battle.

    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/3ª_Divisione_d'assalto

    Partisans made 7 main offensives. Sincerely, I had to investigate 10,15 minutes to find this, because this is basically something that no one commemorates in Croatia. Inteesting, Bleiburg is commemorated, just like Kocevski Rog, Jazovka, Foibe and several other Yugoslav Partisan acts of liberation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Enemy_Offensives

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazovka

    "Later in 1945 the Partisans used the pit to dispose secretly of bodies of prisoners of war. They also dumped wounded Croatian soldiers, medical staff, and Catholic nuns."

    "While local people retained the memory of these events, the Communist government suppressed any acknowledgement of these wartime murders by the Partisans. In 1990, after the fall of socialism in Croatia, the pit was rediscovered.[4] At a depth of around 40 metres (131 ft), the remains of some 470 skeletons were found.[1]"

    "Since this period, the Catholic Church in Croatia has organised an annual pilgrimage to the site. It is held on June 22 and coincides with Anti-Fascist Struggle Day. The Church has lined the path to the pit from a nearby village with images of stations of the cross."

    "Gaudencija Šplajt, Roman Catholic nun who was sentenced to execution by shooting by the Partisan military court in Zagreb on 29 June 1945. She was convicted of aiding, harboring, and hiding a German bandit, the notorious Ustaša Tolj, and other Ustaše after the Soviet Union forces and Partisans' liberation of Zagreb."

    Ustase and Partisans always on the opposite sides. For Ustase, it was also suitable that right - wing Serbian and Montenegrin Chetniks fight against someone. Interesting, Ustase and Chetniks are both right-wing movements but the obstacle was because Chetniks fought for their king Alexander and Orthodox Christianity. King Alexander died in Marseille thanks to his 6th January dictatorship. Once again, we move in circles Leonardo, Totti Fan...with the reasons, consequences, actions, reactions.

    You still believe that Ustase and Yugoslav Partisans were one body, one idea. Especially if we see a lot of commanders who have Serbian, Montenegro origins in Yugoslav Partisan units?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans

    "Yugoslav Partisans were a predominantly Serb movement which became multi-ethnic in the last years of the war.[55][21] Over the entirety of the war, the ethnic composition of the Partisans was 53 percent Serb, 18.6 percent Croat, 9.2 percent Slovene, 5.5 percent Montenegrin, 3.5 percent Bosnian Muslim, and 2.7 percent Macedonian. Much of the remainder of the NOP's membership was made up of Albanians, Hungarians and those self-identifying as Yugoslavs.[56][57] According to Tito, by May 1944, the ethnic composition of the Partisans was 44 percent Serb, 30 percent Croat, 10 percent Slovene, 5 percent Montenegrin, 2.5 percent Macedonian, and 2.5 percent Bosnian Muslim.[58] Italians and Hungarians were also in the army: 20,000 Italian fighters were in 9th Corps (Yugoslav Partisans), Partisan Battalion Pino Budicin, Division Garibaldi and Division Italia later."

    "By April 1945, there were some 800,000 soldiers in the Partisan army. Composition by region (ethnicity is not taken into account) from late 1941 to late 1944 was as follows:"

    Ethnicity Croatia Serbia Macedonia Slovenia Bosnia
    Bosnian Muslims 3% – – – 23%
    Croats 21% – – – 8.8%
    Macedonians – – 88% – –
    Montenegrins – – – – –
    Serbs 77% 95% 8% – 70%
    Slovenians – – 92%


    The Chetniks were a mainly Serb-oriented group and their Serb nationalism resulted in an inability to recruit or appeal to many non-Serbs. The Partisans played down communism in favour of a Popular Front approach which appealed to all Yugoslavs. In Bosnia, the Partisan rallying cry was for a country which was to be neither Serbian nor Croatian nor Muslim, but instead to be free and brotherly in which full equality of all groups would be ensured.[66] Nevertheless, Serbs remained the dominant ethnic group in the Yugoslav Partisans throughout the war.[67][68]

    Interesting, after Italian capitulation, the number of Partisans started to become higher compared to 1941, 1942 and before the September 1943.

    By April 1945, there were some 800,000 soldiers in the Partisan army. Composition by region (ethnicity is not taken into account) from late 1941 to late 1944 was as follows:[62]

    Late 1941 Late 1942 Sept. 1943 Late 1943 Late 1944
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 20,000 60,000 89,000 108,000 100,000
    Croatia 7,000 48,000 78,000 122,000 150,000
    Serbia (Kosovo) 5,000 6,000 6,000 7,000 20,000
    Macedonia 1,000 2,000 10,000 7,000 66,000
    Montenegro 22,000 6,000 10,000 24,000 30,000
    Serbia (proper) 23,000 8,000 13,000 22,000 204,000
    Slovenia[63][64][65] 2,000 4000 6000 34,000 38,000
    Serbia (Vojvodina) 1,000 1,000 3,000 5,000 40,000
    Total
    81,000 135,000 215,000 329,000 648,000

    Conclusion, only Slovenia had steady and normal growth of Partisans. They openly admit that they have left-wing politics since 1990 and I am OK with this, no hiding, no pretending. Milan Kucan is still important there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Kučan

    Communist - Liberal Drnovsek:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janez_Drnovšek

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrej_Bajuk

    Christian Left:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojze_Peterle

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Rop

    Others try to pretend that they are no longer communists. These ones highlighted in red never believed in Yugoslavia, Communism, they just joined because everyone knew who will win in 1944, 1945. But you promote communism as some virtue, ideal, natural entrance. Joined, promoted for 50,60 years, abolished in 1990. Nothing natural, but you can believe in the ideals of being reddish out of intrinsic desire.

    That's why you never attack Serbs. Brotherhood and unity in communism. Who isn't red, he becomes dead, the victim of written propaganda, in books, online...:D
     
  3. Gilbertsson

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    #18603 Gilbertsson, Feb 10, 2020
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    You suggest remedy under the Stalin, Soviet flag and ideas. You try to make your Yugoslav Partisans as something heroic. Ustase movement started to have problems in 1944 year. Not from outside, yet from inside.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorković–Vokić_plot

    "...and align the Independent State of Croatia with the Allies with the help of the Croatian Home Guard. The plan originated from the HSS which was also involved in the negotiations with the Allies. The plot ended with massive arrests and the execution of major plotters, including Lorković and Vokić."

    Even after people knew who would win, the official authority has never made an coalition with Yugoslav Partisans. Not even in 1944.

    Lorkovic has Slavic origins and Vokic has Latin origins. Again, this movement attracted the people of different backgrounds and from different contemporary ethnic groups.

    Read about the other conspirators, who had the role of greetings...majority of them are from Croatia with different backgrounds. But you never mention this how Croats wanted to destroy the Ustase? Not suitable, but it's suitable to see how Yugoslav Partisans destroyed the Ustase.

    So, you only take what's suitable for you.

    But I notice the reality, difference between you and me.

    Interesting episodes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Babić_(officer)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Šimić

    Yugoslav Royal Army, Ustase, started to make conspiracies against Ustase, he left and wrote against the communist Yugoslavia.

    In one person, 4,5 ideals. Very sincere.:) Both of them had the Yugoslav assignment in Kingdom of Yugoslavia, before the WWII.

    OK, I accept the remedy and peace under the non-communist ideals, values, flags, literature, movements, battles, collectivism. Lets all be free individuals who like to plan their lives as their own perspective and desire, without lectured and learned paths, guidelines with artificially created joy, atmosphere and feelings.

    Lets name everything with the real names, not with the hidden, between the lines names, metalanguage that people with modest education like me don't understand so well:

    - post - something
    - transition
    - progressive
    - anti - something
    - region
    - South - East Europe
    - West Balkans
    - Three Seas Initiative
    - Visegrad Group
    - Social - Democratic
    - Christian Left
    - Social - Liberal
    - Labour
    - non-governmental
    - Citizens of Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, instead of Slovenes, Italians, Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks (Muslims). Montenegrin.
    - South - Slavic languages? Serbo - Croatian language. Something that didn't exist before 1945.
    - Slavism
    - Pan - Slavism
    - Yugoslavism

    Lets write the truth: convinced communists who try to hide their party membership past and promote several ideas today which were against the communism before 1990 - religion, spirituality, capitalism, democracy, liberalism, nationalism, regionalism, LGBTQ activism, ecological activism. All these ideas were an object of destruction and expulsion in communism. People couldn't have foreign currencies at home during the communism.
     
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    #18604 phat, Feb 10, 2020
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    The reality is that these neoliberals would better suit their core beliefs if they directed their vitrol towards dictatorship's under the communist veil. Although unfortunately most of them would face their demise serving this purpose .

    Economically, look to the EU and it explains how socialism has worked. Their leftist democracies have weakened them to the point of complete failure at all levels. There is a strong possibility that within a few months Germany's economy will collapse and take down the rest of Europe with it.
     
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    That was sort of the goal of the criminal globalists and they're trying to do the same in the US. That's why neoliberals need to be ignorant of the effects of socialism otherwise how can they be a driving force if they fully comprehended how shit their life would be in such a system? They effectively dig their own grave and enter their own jail cells begging to be told what to do, how to talk, what to think and when to eat and shit ultimately, just about the time when they're begging for their own personal Alexa to be installed in their broken brains.
     
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    A Leon :D
     
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    This must be where Totti fan gets his information from

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    HAHAHAHAHA. What kind of rat faced beeatchh would write such a stupid article.
     
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    The ones fighting for that socialist system believe they will have a seat at the table of the new regime. But history has always shown otherwise.
     
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    Bolshevik Revolution ;)
     
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    #18613 phat, Feb 10, 2020
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    In fact this is what the Bernie Sanders supporters are currently gunning for and the hallucination of free everything added to the stupidity of the democrats who started this mess is so strong that the neoliberals are turning against the democrat centrist and even their almighty savior Obama in favor of anything else. Because supposedly anything is better than what they have until they get it.
     
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    Bernie Sanders supporters are definitely amongst the dumbest people I come across. You can pick most of them out in a crowd. Low tone, uncoordinated, purple hair, moobs for the men, gunts for the women. Always complaining about some imagined violation. Is there some place we can send them all?
     
  15. phat

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    How about Australia?
     
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    That's actually quite a brilliant plan. They have a lot of land mass that needs to be filled. Then maybe we can help finance a wall around the perimeter, force China to pay for most of it, and never let them out again.

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    Black History Month. - We wuz kings n shit fam

    Reality you wont hear being talked about.

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    FEEL THE BERN!
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    Why would anyone trust Sanders the guy who endorsed Hilary Clinton in 2016
     
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    Who does this cuck think he is?
     
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    This post has it all. So Totti fan is quoting his sock puppet account where he called himself a fascist. Meanwhile, he reps the post with his third sock puppet account.

    LOL
     
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