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  1. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Up to $50k of GAM based on the amount of playing time that Simon Lefebvre gets. I'm guessing it's somewhere between 0 minutes and 0 minutes in 2020.
     
  2. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Similar - and more preferable - to the Union signing Colin Kaepernick or Tim Tebow as their new AM.

    And was, "trumped" and "publicity stunt" in the same sentence a subconscious act?
     
  3. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Could have used Kap on Sunday, tho.
     
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  4. aztec21bas

    aztec21bas BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 24, 2009
    Mullica Hill, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #79 aztec21bas, Jan 10, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2020
    Twellman reporting that Monteiro signed as a DP. Also rumors of Burke being sold to Austria. Looks like Tanner has some things in the chute!
     
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  5. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's great that Jamiro is back.

    I really like the idea that was floated around about moving Bedoya to RB like what SKC did with Zusi. In the Union system, the RB is more of a winger anyway. Otherwise, it's really difficult to get Jamiro, Brenden and Ale on the field at the same time unless Jamiro or Brendan play AM and we don't want that to happen.

    Something like this:

    Santos-Przybylko
    New DP AM
    Monteiro-Aaronson
    New DM (Martinez? Oravec?)
    Wagner-McKenzie-Elliott-Bedoya
    Blake
     
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  6. aztec21bas

    aztec21bas BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 24, 2009
    Mullica Hill, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Matt, I like the idea of doing it this way. If he can bring in a DP level attacker, why not? It would strengthen three areas of need: improved AM, improved RB, and a solid RB-LB backup in Gaddis. I know everybody clamors for a DP striker, but at this pint, your idea is the ideal solution to the problems at hand.
     
  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Transfer fee is reportedly upwards, and possibly in excess of $2M
     
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  8. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The current state of MLS is that teams need to pay $2M transfer fees to get/keep good players. While ownership might not want to do it, ownership saw last season what happens when there is a good product on the field that competes at a high level.
     
  9. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    It's also $2M for a guy no one in MLS had heard of before last year, and probably relatively few fans in Europe have heard his name either. MLS had been throwing money at names rather than skills for a while (and to a certain extent still does - hi, Marco), so it's nice to see a commitment to paying for on-field performance rather than marketing.
     
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  10. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to mention a guy who already has had some success in MLS, knows what he's getting himself into and wants to be here.
     
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  11. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say right now this is how they'd line players up:

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  12. Dulliwhig

    Dulliwhig Member+

    Nov 12, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doesn't Santos play more on the left? I think he's going to be very good for us this year, just needs to stay healthy. Also, I want to see Aaronson get minutes, but we need a legit playmaker.
     
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Union aren't going to be playing like they did last season. They will be playing more like RB Salzburg, and pressing more to create quick transitions. Arronson is also a year older. Arronson and Montiero can also switch roles throughout the match. They likely will bring in an AM, that said they believe Arronson will develop into a game changing CAM.

    Fontana is likely going to see more time as well to give Bedoya some rest.

    As for strikers, it seems fans have forgotten all about Andrew Wooten, who with a full preseason should show results this season. We saw glimpses of his quality at times, and he is a finisher.
     
  14. Dulliwhig

    Dulliwhig Member+

    Nov 12, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully the new formation suits Wootens playing style because he was awful in the few chances that he had.
     
  15. Dulliwhig

    Dulliwhig Member+

    Nov 12, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ives take on our draft move:

    "We get it, the Union don’t rate the MLS Draft and don’t need it. At least that’s the narrative being pushed by a team that counts late-round steals Jack Elliott and Ray Gaddis as starters. That said, $50,000 for the 21st overall pick (the swap of allocation spots is marginal value at best) feels like a waste.

    Does that mean number 21 pick Simon LeFebvre is going to succeed as a pro? Not necessarily, but you can rest assure a few players that went after 21st overall will wind up having been worth more than $50,000 in allocation."
     
  16. Union42

    Union42 Member+

    Jul 29, 2013
    Swarthmore, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if part of the thinking behind the Ernst's distaste for the draft is allocation of scouting resources. If he doesn't have to scout for the MLS draft, which has a decreasing likelihood of producing MLS starters that can be sold for a profit with each passing season, he can send those scouts abroad looking for hidden gems which he has a greater likelihood of selling for profit.
     
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  17. Dulliwhig

    Dulliwhig Member+

    Nov 12, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    International roster spots are limited, so you need to build your team with American players. The NCAA player pool is small and does not require significant time or resources to scout.
     
  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ives is showing his age with this opinion. The MLS Draft started becoming irrelevant approximately 5 years ago. Never mind that Gaddis was picked back in 2012, 8 f'n years ago!!!
    One other thing to consider, the Union are near or at the top of spending in MLS when it comes to their Academy. If they sign 1-2 academy kids a year to first team contracts, that's better then nearly any pick in the MLS Draft. If they can flip their picks for Garber Buck$ even better, as that is money that can be used towards building the roster.

    When they are already filling the back end of their roster with Academy Kids and players scouted through Union2, there really isn't a need for them to take a flyer on a player who has next to zero chance of making the roster (let alone sticking with them for more than a season).

    Unless the Union are in the top 5 picks, there really isn't a good reason to take part in the draft.
     
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  19. aztec21bas

    aztec21bas BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 24, 2009
    Mullica Hill, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and if the academy is producing as it should (and has been!) there is no reason why the Union should be picking anywhere near the top five in the draft!
     
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  20. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I mean, that's technically true, but it totally ignores the fact that you're far more likely to cut that draft pick in preseason than have them ever become a starter.
     
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  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. Dulliwhig

    Dulliwhig Member+

    Nov 12, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suppose if you said it was a 1 in 10 chance to have a player emerge as a starter and be worth $500K or so, then it may not be worth the roll of the dice. I haven't watched MLS much beyond the Union for the past several years and had not realized how much of a drop in quality there has been in the draft.
     
  23. sentrido

    sentrido Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I also imagine that there isn't a lot a confidence in how well you can evaluate talent scouting the current style of play in most college games anyway. Just a hunch having worked with similar "Personalities" like Ernst so I do think they would have evaluated all the "metrics" around the draft combined with the scouting teams own level of confidence in their evaluations to decide how to treat the draft. I also think they would have taken into account the impact of all the other sources of players available now that maybe weren't years ago. If a lot of eventual starters came from the draft back in the day but that was because there weren't a lot of alternate sources of players (or options for them) domestically and the pay was really low to boot then a high% of successful starters isn't really that great an indicator. I think we saw some starters for the Union over the years that wouldn't even make an MLS roster these days. There are a million hard data angles you can look at to make these kinds of decisions and I think they do. Anyway my gut tells me its the right way to go. I would love to see the data but i'm too busy (lazy) to put it together myself.
     
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  24. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jack Elliott drafted number 77 in the fourth round would be second to the last third round pick this year with expansion. In two years he would be a mid third round pick. Maybe the reason the draft isn't producing much talent is because more players are taken overall. Besides getting less players going to college because players sign right from the academy.
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    Hopefully the college season changes to the two semester season that's proposed giving players more time to develop. Also I think it's the foreign player who goes to college in the future who what the draft will focus in on.
     
  25. sentrido

    sentrido Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Thinking about it a bit I don't think any major sport draft outside of (American ;) football really considers college experience not a negative or wasted years. Hockey and Baseball both favor getting kids right into their systems. What decent basketball player even finishes college anymore and they basically have the academy equivalent at the HS level anyway so I think its rare for a kid to come into the league without being a well known quantity.
     

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