Most successful NT coach who coach over 50 games

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Duncan Edwards i miss u, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. Duncan Edwards i miss u

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Competitive match record:

    NO 1 BOB BRADLEY
    NO 2 JURGEN KLINSMAN
    NO 3 BRUCE ARENA

    Friendly match record

    NO 1 BRUCE ARENA:
    NO 2 JURGEN KLINSMAN
    NO 3 BOB BRADLEY

    Overall record

    NO 1 BRUCE ARENA 66.55%
    NO 2 JURGEN KLINSMAN 64.29%
    NO 3 BOB BRADLEY 61.25%
    NO 4 STEVE SAMPSON 53.23%
    NO 5 BORA MILUTINOVIC 47.4%
     
  2. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think you can really compare their competitive match records without looking at strength of schedule.

    Raw percentages flatter Klinsmann compared to Bradley and Arena because of when he was fired. He went though the CONCACAF prelim rounds twice, but had only one Hex (plus two games of a second). He also played Gold Cups where the average strength of opposition was a bit lower because of the removal of guest teams, and was the only one of the three coaches to never play a Confederations Cup.
     
  3. Duncan Edwards i miss u

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It is a result oriented business. No matter what level your opponent is, a win is a win and a lose is a lose.
     
  4. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    ELO might be better as it takes into account opponent strength and competition level. I did some work comparing elo results but didn’t do it for full tenures.
     
  5. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Achievements for each. Best accomplishment in each competition (*is all-time best performance):

    Arena
    World Cup: Quarter-finals (2002)*
    Confed Cup: Group stage (2003)
    Copa America: N/A
    Gold Cup: 3X Winner (2002, 2005, 2017)
    WCQ: 1st (2006), 3rd (2002), 5th (2018, DNQ)

    Bradley
    World Cup: R16 (won World Cup group) (2010)*
    Confed Cup: 2nd place (2009)*
    Copa America: Group stage (2007)
    Gold Cup: 1x Winner (1st time beating MEX in a final in a "real" GC, I believe) (2007)*
    WCQ: 1st (2010)

    Klinsmann
    World Cup: R16 (emerged from very difficult group) (2014)
    Confed Cup: N/A
    Copa America: 4th place (2016)*
    Gold Cup: 1x Winner (2013)
    WCQ: 1st (2014), 6th (at time of dismissal)(2018)

    The takeaway I have is Bradley should've gotten more time given what he achieved in his short tenure, though I think he arguably had the best team at his disposal (which Jurgen inherited).
     
  6. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Had to double-check something: I added a "*" to Klinsmann 2016 Copa Performance, indicating it was a best-ever performance in that tournament. I was mistaken.

    I remembered the US did very well when invited to the Copa in the 90s; the USMNT finished also finished 4th in that version, defeating Chile, Argentina and Mexico along the way, losing to then World Champions Brazil. I would say that was a better performance, especially considering that tournament was playing in South America, whereas the Centenario was at home.
     
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  7. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bradley did very well, but his voice to the team began to get a little lost. JK did well and he too lost the ability to rouse the players. Arena well, I actually think he is stuck in 2000 and believes you can grit out victories if you just follow his guidelines. So to me it is either Bradley or JK, and the main takeaway is I believe very few outside of the most special NT coaches, should get more than 1 cycle, and the assistants need to be rotated much more than they are if they do get more than 1 cycle.
     
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  8. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Appecuate the efforts here, but I am confused on your use of the *.

    For the team or for that coach? You * Arena's WC QF and Bradley's Group winning team, but not JKs R16 loss.

    The best ever WC performance for the USA is 4th in 1930.
     
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  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #9 Clint Eastwood, Jan 5, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2020
    The only thing that matters is competitive match record. Friendlies and minor tournaments are just preparation for the events that actually matter. The answer is thus Bruce Arena. Three Gold Cups, and the best ever WC performance. I think the failure in 2017/8 is a shared failure amongst a whole bunch of folks, and doesn't cancel out everything Arena had done prior to that.

    The importance of WC performance is best exemplified by Steve Sampson's tenure. He had quite a nice cycle, and everything seemed to be trending in the right direction...……….until the WC. One could make an argument that Copa America 1995 is the most overlooked accomplishment in USMNT lore. Beating Argentina, Chile, and Mexico on the way to the semifinal. Historic victory over Brazil in the 1998 Gold Cup. Good performance in the WCQing campgign, and then it all unraveled in the
    World Cup. Partially not his fault as the team captain had an affair with the star striker's wife. Team chemistry went completely down the tubes. [Sampson also tried to bring in a bunch of foreign born players in an effort to improve the squad for the WC. But replacing some team stalwarts like Jeff Agoos led to a lot of bad blood.]
     
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  10. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I've always found this claim a little dubious.

    There were so few teams in 1930 that we only had to play two games in the World Cup to reach the semi-finals, before we were thumped 6-1.

    If you judge "best ever WC performance for the USA" by being closest to a trophy, then I suppose 1930 is our best ever performance. But if you judge it by the number of wins (2 in both tournaments), or number of impressive results (2 in 1930 vs 2 or 3 in 2002), or finishing in the highest percentile (top 30% of teams in the 1930 tournament vs top 25% of teams in the 2002 one), then I don't think 1930 has 2002 beat on any measure.
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    USA beat Paraguay (2nd place Copa America 2029) and Belgium (#5 in Europe, qualified for the 1928 OGs where it lost to the #2 team in the world, Argentina) in 1930.

    Beating Portugal & Mexico in 2002 was quite similar, IMO.
     
  12. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's the best result. I don't know how many of us remember the 1930 performance.

    Maybe someone enterprising can make an argument for Klinsmann's 2014 WC Group stage as an all-time best performance. On aggregate rankings, that 2014 group is 2nd only to the group in 1994, and while the US did qualify out in '94, they did so in 3rd place (OTOH, the US did defeat Colombia back then).
     
  13. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a bold prediction. ;)
     

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