Not you again - 2019 UK general election thread.

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Naughtius Maximus, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I just hope Brenda from Bristol doesn't get to hear. This was her reaction last time after May went on her walking holiday...



    This time, again, it's guaranteed to bring 'clarity'.

    We'll see!
     
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  2. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
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  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    We (USA) have been Brexiting Afghanistan for 18 years now.
     
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  4. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    Wrecks-it-ing?
     
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  5. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
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    @Naughtius Maximus your lot better get it together and kick Boris to the curb this time.
     
  6. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I have a bad feeling about this.
     
  7. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    These ********s are going to continue to ******** it up.
     
  8. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I know what you mean but, then again, I always have a bad feeling about elections :D

    Some recent developments...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tte-sandbach-joins-lib-dems-ahead-of-election

    She'll sit quite comfortably in the Liberals. TBH she was always a bit of an odd fit in the tories, a bit like Heidi allen who's now not standing for anyone...

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-baby-after-she-had-an-abortion-a4274096.html

    She's a loss to politics :(

    Also these two

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/30/amber-rudd-to-step-down-as-mp

    Out of the 21 tories that had the whip removed only 10 have come back in. Although some are saying it's because of other matters, (including the toxic level of debate in politics now), others are being very clear there's more to it than that...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...brexit-party-say-eurosceptic-tories-rfwhc3s9b

    The Conservatives are now the Brexit party, senior Eurosceptics declared last night, as a succession of moderate Tories opposed to leaving the EU without a deal announced they were standing down.

    Downing Street has made clear that all their candidates will be expected to support getting Brexit done “immediately” after the election.

    Boris Johnson’s successful leadership campaign was fuelled in large part by Conservative MPs’ belief that he could vanquish Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party, which came first in May’s European elections while the Conservatives slumped to fifth.

    Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, said: “We are the Brexit party now because there is no other space for us to occupy. Every candidate standing will accept that our job and duty first and foremost is to deliver Brexit. After that all the other domestic policy issues are back in the mix.”

    Sir David Lidington, a former cabinet minister, who also announced yesterday that he was standing down, told BBC Breakfast that he was concerned that parliament would “only get political fanatics in” because of the tone of contemporary politics.

    It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, particularly after this somewhat less than helpful 'intervention' on LBC...



    I'm guessing he has absolutely NO idea how unpopular he is over here.
     
  9. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    --other--
    It'll be massive tory majority sadly. Labour and Corbyn are useless :(
     
  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  11. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  12. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
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    Forcing the general election is not looking great for the Lib Dems.
     
  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Those polls tell you that Conservatives going all brexit is the right move, as the Brexit party loses support, the conservatives seem to gain it.

    Labor and Lib Dems seem to be moving in tandem now, like they both have found their base.
     
  14. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    The Tories have won a majority or a plurality of the vote In ever GE since 2010 why would any other party or person other than Boris want to call one. Corbyn and Labour are hopeless and even with UKIP in the past and now the Brexit Party eating a large chunk out of the Tory Right those lot still do relatively well ( even if they did underperform in 2017).
     
  15. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    n = 3
     
  16. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The problem is the right is usually united whereas the left is notorious for splitting up into ever smaller groups.
     
  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Nadhim Zahawi's interview with Andrew Neil which was, shall we say, 'sub-optimal'...



    I particularly liked the bit at about 8 mins where he says it's reasonable to compare Stalin's treatment of the kulaks to Labour's desire for them to have to pay more tax :)
     
  18. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I think that's the guy that internet pseudo-intellectual Ben Shapiro called a leftist and walked out on.
     
  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Er... yeah.

    This is a run-down of some of his past 'hits'...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Neil#Political_positions

    He's an interesting character. He's centre-right but, to give him his due, he usually gives grief to both sides during his interviews.

    He's bit like some of these never-trumpers republicans who, whilst we might disagree with them about a lot of things, at least they're more or less rational.
     
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  20. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    Same thing is true here in the US and in France where I have many friends and family members live. Republicans or the right get in line, the left in general fall in love (with ideas or leaders) and always fight amongst themselves. I really think though a dynamic, charismatic leader who is good at the game of politics is usually the difference maker regardless of their party or ideology. Regan, Clinton, Blair, Obama etc. When you have poor leaders like William Hague, IDS, Howard, Brown, Miliband they just compound a problem.

    Boris imo is more effective than Cameron and Corbyn is a lackluster yet polarizing politician hence the edge to the Tories here. But your way closer to the ground so you tell me what your thoughts are on this GE.
     
  21. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    In what universe is Boris more effective than Cameron?
     
  22. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I would wager he's a more effective liar.
     
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  23. Walia Ibex

    Walia Ibex Red Card

    Arsenal
    Ethiopia
    Oct 2, 2019
    He is a better politician, more dynamic, colorful etc. I'm not giving him any positive attributes as a leader or as a person..they are both very unlikable.. Boris just seems more realistic and pragmatic.
     
  24. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    That pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with politics at the moment.
    A politician's ability should be judged on their policies and their track record of delivering them.

    Realistic? As in the bridge between Ireland and Scotland? Or the London cable cars? Or the airport in the Thames estuary?

    Pragmatic? Surely you mean "will say whatever he thinks will benefit him".
     
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  25. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    Boris can't even win a majority of his votes. If he gets 400 seats maybe we'll talk.
     

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