News: SSC Napoli 2019/2020 Champions League Thread

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  1. RichardBarker

    RichardBarker Member

    NAPOLI
    Indonesia
    Apr 29, 2018
    #526 RichardBarker, Nov 7, 2019
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    Rumours are flying rampant about the condition of Napoli due to the mutiny. Apparently, ADL is going to sack CA, sue the players for insubordination etc..

    I now hope Carlos resign and the players boycott the next match. Let's see if ADL will fire the entire squad. Might as well goes to extreme in order to force ADL to step down or sell the club. That stubborn, obstinate, penny-pinching, rubbish-talking old fool thinks and acts like a dictator. Everyone hates him. He's a cancer to the club and the real reason why everything is going wrong.
     
  2. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Firing Ancelotti is useless. He has failed at Napoli but I don’t want Spaletti or Gattuso. No one really out there right now and the problems will remain.

    The fans need to back coach and players against Genoa and attack ADL.
     
  3. Sacki

    Sacki Member+

    Aug 23, 2015
    Denmark
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    #528 Sacki, Nov 7, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2019
    ADL is a constant, Ancelotti is not.
    You can like or hate that all you want but it won't change.

    And no, it's not ADL's fault we are midtable. That's down to an incompetent and outdated manager.

    That being said: ******** ADL. I understand his frustration, but as usual, his way of dealing with problems are impulsive and reckless. Is he seriously blaming everyone? I don't see how this is the players' fault tbh. We have a manager that sets his vision before the players' individual strengths, an example: we got k2 clearing balls in the small box with 9 other teammates, we got Mario Rui and ghoulam playing extra CBs, Fabian ruiz and zielinski playing far away from goal, Lozano is dumped down to shielding the ball and play it backwards like a targetman, idk wtf insigne and mertens are supposed to do, callejon is basically an extra RB. And when was the last time di Lorenzo got forward? It's like he has to ask Carlo on the sideline before he dares.

    That being said, yes the players should finish better, but for crying out loud it's not without reason we get few of our shots on target - it's because they aren't big enough chances - we should be creating more big chances and not just shots outside the box. But tbh stats show we at least are good at getting long shots on target, however, they are still not chances that should be converted into goals
     
  4. Sacki

    Sacki Member+

    Aug 23, 2015
    Denmark
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    They guy has lost the plot, completely. We don't need a big name. In fact that's the problem right now.

    We need to find a young talented and most importantly motivated manager
     
  5. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Who? I don’t want Spalletti or Gattuso.
     
  6. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I agree to a lot of what you say but I also believe morale is at an all time low and every coach will have problems motivating these guys. I have explained why.

    These guys gave it all but ADL never invested enough to get us close. When we got close the league cheated us.

    These players are disillusioned. They all wanted to leave after 6 to 8 years, especially having seen ADL won’t spend but they are forced to stay here on lower salaries wasting their careers.

    I have been critical of Ancelotti and I was against his appointment. But Sarri was doubtful about renewing for a reason after his third year. We need to be careful because some coaches out there are not the solution. We should not do the stuff Milan does.
     
  7. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Now he says he will sell Mertens and Callejon in the January window. This tough talking fool will take advantage of all this and sell whatever he can to fill his pockets.
     
  8. RichardBarker

    RichardBarker Member

    NAPOLI
    Indonesia
    Apr 29, 2018
    Both Mertens and Callejon have been loyal servants to the club and they both give their best years to Napoli and deserved respect and better treatment.

    Now f**king ADL has now gone completely mental and leading the club down the road of self-destruction. The entire squad will have to be replaced to pacify his ego and dictatorial instincts, and we will start from zero again only this time, no decent coach or half-good players will want to come to Napoli to waste their career as long as this Bastard is still around to call the shots.
     
  9. PrimeDona

    PrimeDona Member

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Oct 19, 2019
    Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The imaging rights stuff has put off so many high profile players from joining us, another one of ADL’s brilliant schemes.
     
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  10. Bedelcigil

    Bedelcigil Member+

    Aug 21, 2014
    Cyprus
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't know what to say.
     
  11. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    You are all delusional. Srsly, Callejon was not really playing in Real Madrid, and we gave him an opportunity to play great football with us. Does nobody look at both sides of the story? You all pretend like football players are poor dying kids in Iraq or whatever and everybody around them is a bad, bloodthirsty pedophile or sth.

    Some fans are reportedly protesting against the players, calling them mercenaries, but they did not forget to protest against DL as well. That's the way - all of them are a bit guilty. There are many jobs that are extremely important and those who perform the given duties often can't see their family for months, yet those guys earn millions, have beautiful wives and shit, and yet they can't stay a week locked up concentrating on work when they haven't been showing up in order to earn at least a fraction of the money they get?

    If I were DL, I'd do exactly what you had proposed. That's what you deserve. I hate DL, just like so many other people, but this is really lame. Who knows where we would have been without that old fart. And all he gets is a ton of hatred, and not only that, people even overlook each and every other side of the problem, because now they had finally been handed that which they wanted - the possibility to bash DL without restriction.
     
  12. RichardBarker

    RichardBarker Member

    NAPOLI
    Indonesia
    Apr 29, 2018

    These players, whatever we think of them, are professional athletes. They are adults, not kids. It's the 21st century. Nobody like to be told what to do and punish like misbehaving children. Can they do better? Sure. But will such hard nose tactics works? Doubtful. It just cause resentment, and resentment breeds discontent and discontent leads to poor results. Hence even Ancelotti disagrees with it. Your comparison with other jobs which requires long separation from families is hardly apt because these are made known to the person in advance taking up these jobs. As for how much they are paid, that's the market rate for a footballer and by the way, we are actually underpaying most of them if compared to other leagues like EPL.

    For saving Napoli and bringing the club back to Serie A, we will always be thankful to that Old Fart. For destroying the club now with his stubborn, back-dated and stingy ways, we are not. Will it be ok for a man to raise a child to adulthood only to shoot him in the legs and make him crippled and then say, hey, I raise you, don't complain, you won't even be alive if I didn't. Sorry, your logic don't work and is not reasonable. He is only a liability to the club nowaday and he should sell it if he is not willing to invest and bring the club to the next level.
     
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  13. RichardBarker

    RichardBarker Member

    NAPOLI
    Indonesia
    Apr 29, 2018
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  14. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    #540 Euphorius Thor, Nov 7, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2019
    Now YOU tell me that I have no logic and reason. Have I been arguing with Gods? Please do send me the Holy Grail, I want to piss in it and wash my balls in it.
    Srsly now, these are matters of opinion. They must be responsive to criticism in their position, they can;t just act like losing games is okay and say that we will win one later. We could do that if we were Cagliari, oh wait...
    Discontent leads to poor results? So until we became discontent, we had been doing great? We had been fully content before and yet we had also been producing poor results. It is the duty of the players to play for the fans, and if they disagree with the president they have every right to do so, but they absolutely cannot let that undermine their performances. The market is a bitch, I get it, but did Callejon not come here because they had decided to sell him at Real? So if he wanted more money, he should and could have stayed there. The market exists, but that does not mean each and every club has to offer the same amounts, especially when results are not pleasant. Anyway, I wonder how much of what we know is true and how much is journalistic drivel. However, who cares, right?
    You act like DL screwed everything up this season, that is, as if becoming Juventus is just about investing money and shit. Tell that to MU, Jesus Christ. We had invested before the season started, and we had been close to signing an attacker. DL had even pushed for Icardi. It's not like he hadn't tried at all. The team definitely isn't bad, Carlo should have done better so far, yet once again it is all the fault of DL, as if the players and the coach were made of ice and any and all responsibility just slides off. Your analogy with the cripple does hold some water, but it is off, as DL had invested and we should have been doing better now. Yet we haven't done anything so far, and we just want to say ******** that we want to go home and do nothing about ii. You exaggerate to an unreasonable degree. We had the 2nd best club in Serie A last season, and we still sold only few players and bought others. But some people probably feel like we're MU and we can just pull money out of our ass and risk everything. You do know that that approach is also risky, right?

    The people here are heavily opinionated and as soon as you dare to come out with a different opinion you are labeled as illogical and unreasonable. We are not talking about the Coulomb's law here. We are talking about things that are open to interpretation and to one's preference of opinion. Yet you act like you have the answers to everything. And what is it that people have with the majority today? Have you never heard that once you have sided with the majority, you have probably become a man who is terribly wrong? Anyway, I don't care about the market so much, because once we start doing that the money will win and then there will really be no damn love left in this world. But thankfully, there have been tons of clubs who have overpaid players and achieved nothing at all. So obviously shit doesn't work only one way. Therefore, subjugating your judgment to the way things are is irrational. If the men in my neighborhood suddenly start sucking dicks, I'll dare not to follow the new trend.

    Anyway, the Lazio boss also told his players that he had raised their salaries and thus expects better results, for otherwise he can send the Primavera there. Is that not right? Are they supposed to cry now and stop playing forever? If I were playing for the fans and earning a lot of money thanks to their support, I would have jumped at the opportunity to work like a mule when all I have been doing is disappointing the fans. But no, they want to go to their cozy houses to screw their pretty wives and have a swim in their winter resistant pools or whatever. You may think that's fine, and the whole damn world may agree with you, but I'll be damned if anyone out there can reduce me to such a state of existence. I'll rather die. Thankfully, there are books in this world, and so I can compare the way I think with people like Tolstoy, Melville, Bacon, Byron, Faraday, and whoever the ********, and I often find adherence when I am digesting their books, but you know what? Not always. However, I am pretty sure they would never have argued the way many people argue today, that is, calling the opposition illogical and unreasonable, which is like using a euphemism to tell smn they are pretty stupid.

    EDIT: De Laurentiis decided the squad needed to be punished for their poor display against Roma and sent them off to a training retreat. Such a response to poor form, known as going 'in ritiro', is a common enough tactic in Italian football and De Laurentiis wanted the training camp to last all week.

    So, obviously, the retreat may not be a sign of DL's dictatorial nature, but rather a sign of that which I despise - emulating the multitude. I am certain other clubs have done it before, so as a dictator I would have expected him to be more original.
     
  15. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    ADL should put himself 'in ritiro'
     
  16. Sacki

    Sacki Member+

    Aug 23, 2015
    Denmark
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Anyone who will play with a 3 man midfield and a high line (imagine being a forward and knowing you'd have to outrun K2 or Manloas) - combined with a good coaching staff that will take care of the individual tactics for now.
    We all want what's best for the club, but unfortunately, ADL owns the club, so we'll have to live with him.
    The only cure imo is to play a system that suits these players, so we get to play games on OUR terms.
    They stayed for the passion of the city - let's bring that back.

    Furthermore, we have the least Italian style squad in Italy, so we should not hire stereo-typical Italian managers
     
  17. PrimeDona

    PrimeDona Member

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Oct 19, 2019
    Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Erik Ten Hag is Sarri’s true successor
     
  18. RichardBarker

    RichardBarker Member

    NAPOLI
    Indonesia
    Apr 29, 2018
    Are you always this long-winded including in real life?

    You must be about the one and only ADL apologist around. If you said ADL has "invested", tell me

    Where is our own Stadium?

    Where is the striker we are supposed to sign last summer?

    Where is our marketing campaign to promote the club?

    Where is our youth program?

    We have never actually signed any high profile players without first selling our own, eg Higuain for Cavani etc. The reality is probably that he only talks big but really has no money to afford all the above, or it goes to boost his own bank account. If the former, he should step aside and sell the club to someone that has the financial resources to take the club to the next level.
     
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  19. Bedelcigil

    Bedelcigil Member+

    Aug 21, 2014
    Cyprus
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I disagree.He has to prove himself first and he is not coming to naples.I prefer someone young from serie a.Thiago motta might be the name or someone else.
     
  20. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He wants to sell Allan too.
     
  21. CarecaNapoli

    CarecaNapoli Member+

    Jul 5, 2007
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He bought Napoli for 3 million cash and 27 million debt which is now repaid.

    Now Napoli has 120M cash and no debt. The club is at least worth 300 to 500 million.

    On top his family has Board seats and takes millions from sitting on the Board every year.

    And he has the audacity to call Callejon and Mertens who have been here for 7 years, mercenaries.
     
  22. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    I don't know where it is but you do not know that either. Proof you give me, and then agree I will, green I will turn for you as well. Or at least evidence, I won't even ask you to demonstrate, as Euclid would have done. That is my issue, people knowing shit arguing about shit all the time, and, of course, changing opinions with the direction of the wind.

    Now I remember that during the transfer window a lot of people rated it highly. Perhaps some were angry that we were not able to sign Pepe, but the price was over the line, the competition richer, and he hasn't been doing so well so far, has he? The point is - before the run of poor results the majority of the fans here were quite certain we were the 2nd best team in SA no matter what, which was and still is a hard thing to dispute, yet suddenly now that DL has earned a bit of criticism again you just choose to criticize him for everything, both that which he may be responsible for and that which he probably isn't responsible for.

    Simply, once you decide to criticize DL, there is no sobriety there. You all just obviously hate him so much that soon he will be at fault for tsunamis or earthquakes...

    And for the last time, goddamn, I am not a DL apologist. The majority does not scare me, I've sat in a room full of passionately wrong people before. All I want is clarity, and I want you to be reasonable and put the blame where it is due.

    Do you honestly think that DL is responsible for everything? There are clubs with worse management, yet better results. Putting the blame solely on DL and suddenly just ignoring the work Carlo and the lads have done so far is just plane wrong, in fact, it is insane. Have they bargained for immunity with you?

    Regarding the ritiro, which you had probably purposefully ignored before you started replying to me, I think it is rather a show of ambition than dictatorial instinct. As I have written, other teams have done it before. Cagliari(oh wait) would not have done it because a run of poor results is normal, but the bigger clubs have obligations towards the fans and they have to play it right, because the ultras especially give the team the atmosphere and they are faithful, but sts the team needs to show they are sorry and that they will do everything in their power to please the fans who give them their inflated salaries, for it is not to be forgotten that without US they'd be earning regular money just like US.

    But no, a week of work was too much, so let's blame DL for Pluto being too small to be a planet. The goddamn nematode, just because of him we had to learn one word for no reason at all, for now it is as useless as it can be.
     
  23. Euphorius Thor

    SSC NapoliS
    Slovakia
    Jul 14, 2017
    Sorry, but in capitalism, this is normal. Capitalism is like the life of junkies, addicts on meth or heroin. They cheat themselves and lie to one another but they don't really take it personally, they have all just adapted to the life and taken it as tangibly real and imperative. So we have become hypocrites, selfishly believing each one of us has earned this or that. It's all a bunch of crap, but most people do it nowadays and they don't even talk about it. It's like a game.
     
  24. PrimeDona

    PrimeDona Member

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Oct 19, 2019
    Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    But what was Sarri before Naples? You can clearly see the talent in ETG, he just needs a squad full of technicians, which we have
     

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