Andrew Yang will be your next president

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  1. Boloni86

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    4% nationally with NBC. 5% with black voters. 6% with Hispanic voters. Only 2% with white voters. Damn it white people, you're dragging us down! lol ...

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  2. argentine soccer fan

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    So now Yang is also going Latino? Following Beto's script, apparently.
     
  3. Boloni86

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    Equal Citizens, a pro democracy advocacy group started after 2016 election by Lawrence Lessig, Richard Painter and Robert Reich endorsed Yang as having the strongest democracy reform platform in the race.

    Some highlights :

    Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico (if they choose it)
    Independent redistricting commissions
    Redrawing district lines using the efficiency gap
    automatic voter registration
    ranked choice voting
    lowering voting age to 16
    Make election day a national holiday
    A $100 voucher to each eligible voter for each federal voting cycle that can be used to donate to the campaigns of your choosing
    Overturn Citizens United and Buckley vs. Valeo
    12 year congressional term limits
    18 year Supreme Court justice term limits
    Presidents, cabinet members and regulatory agency directors should have their salaries increased in exchange for a ban on lucrative speaking fees and board positions after service.
    Automatic restoration of voting rights for x felons who complete their punishment
    Old/archaic laws should come up for automatic review periodically in order to justify their existence
    Revive earmarks in order to make it easier to pass new laws
    Modernize voting - blockchain technology could make cell phone voting as safe as in person voting
    Protect the electoral college, but states should consider allocating them proportionally (like some states already do)
     
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  4. Boloni86

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    Yang at 7% in California may not have been an outlier ... Two polls in one day.

     
  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Did he do the handouts yet or is it in campaign finance limbo?
     
  6. Boloni86

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    Might not be as unusual as you think. One of the most fascinating things about Yang's campaign is how forgotten it is in history that UBI actually passed the House of Representatives twice under Nixon. The plan would have been $1,600 per person (roughly $10,000 by today's standards). It was endorsed by a bipartisan panel of 1,200 economists. Nixon was ready to sign. It was actually the Democratic led Senate who held out on a vote because they wanted the payment to be higher. But then Watergate happened and the whole thing fell to the wayside. It's been said that this was the biggest missed opportunity in Democratic Party history.

    UBI right now is inside Justin Trudeau's party's platform and their government is launching pilot programs. Same in the Netherlands. Also at local levels, right now Stockton, California is launching a program. Finland already completed a pilot program. And that's basically how it would play out in the US if Yang won the election. He would put it into the party platform first. Then they would launch a multi year pilot program. That's pretty much it. One of the reasons why fear of UBI is a bad reason to not vote Yang. Congress isn't going to write a bill this important without research. 10 years to implementation would be a realistic timeline

    There may be two additional areas where UBI may have some natural support. First place is labor. UBI strengthens a striking position. One of Yang's early backers was Andy Stern, the x head of the SEIU. And another place is in the civil rights movement. UBI was one of the primary policies that MLK was advocating for at the end of his life. There's a UBI march in New York in October where Yang will speak alongside some pretty prominent Civil Rights leaders, including Al Sharpton. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out.
     
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    I haven't heard of any limbo, but I believe the announcement isn't for awhile. Not sure because I didn't sign up.
     
  8. stanger

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    I would vote for him based on this platform. Very few of these items I disagree with.
     
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  9. ceezmad

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    Aren't all those State issues, meaning they are responsibility of the States and not the federal government.


    Federal crimes? or all crimes?

    Did the supreme court already rule on this?

    Or did they rule that states could not set limits, but the federal may still be able?



    Also all that progressive shit, and nothing about increasing the size of the house of representatives by updating the house seats appropriation from the 1920's. What up with that?
     
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    And nobody who reads the mighty Gotham Gazette will vote for him.
     
  13. stanger

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    I'm sure that story will get picked up by the larger outlets.
     
  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Hate to break the news. But it was on HuffPost.
     
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  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    It's should be seen as a positive by Yang fans. He's experienced at paying off people.
     
  17. xtomx

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    Wow, that was a waste of 5 minutes.

    Shitty that he would fire a person on the heels of getting married (which is "punishment" enough!*).

    This has f*ck all to do with Andrew Yang's idiotic "freedom bonus," though. She received a generous severance, good for her.

    It shows that he is either a crappy businessman, dumping a great employee because of his perceived notion she will not be as dedicated or work as hard because she married.

    Or, that he is shrewd businessman, seeing a disgruntled harpy of an employee and having the balls to make the move. And compassionate enough to provide a 2 year severance.

    I suspect the latter more, but with some of the former.

    She comes off as bitter and very biased.

    I do agree with he last sentence.




    *remind me, again, why I am no longer married. I am happily in a 16 year, non-married relationship.
     
  18. Boloni86

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    I'm curious, what makes it so idiotic? A similar plan actually passed the House under Nixon and Dems were on board at the time.

    Just curious to know what peoples' reasons are to have such visceral negative reactions towards UBI. It's especially surprising to hear from progressives who presumably care about poverty, homelessness etc ... UBI is becoming mainstream in other Western progressive nations like Canada and Scandinavia. The concept is supported by a pretty broad range of economists ranging from Robert Reich and Yanis Varoufakis on the left to Milton Friedman on the right. That bill under Nixon was endorsed by a bipartisan panel of 1200 economists. Recently it was endorsed at the world's most prominent international economist conference.

    And I don't say that as a stone cold UBI advocate. I have my issues with the plan. But I'm confused as to what the other alternatives are on the American left as far as addressing declining labor participation rates and the rise of underemployment in the gig economy.
     
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  19. Timon19

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    It's all about the messenger, man. You ought to know that by now.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Obviously I'd be fine with Yang compared to Trump

    I prefer Warren's reformist platform though. I guess I just trust her a bit more.

    Warren would be my preference over Biden or Bernie
     
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    All of these redistributive methods need priority.

    UBI is also a good idea, if we aren't going to financially reward lots of key work like raising kids.

    It's what I support free healthcare as that is in effect, a major wealth transfer to working people.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    I completely agree with this.

    Here is a trivial example. When I was a student, you could get student unemployment benefit over the summer when you were not studying full time. This was because you could not draw your student benefits or loans out of term time.

    This was like $125 per week, and you could also earn up to 130p/w without losing any of your benefit.

    So this created a situation where the optimal amount for us to work was either full time, where in the restaurant we could make around $380 per week, OR part time 15 hrs or so, where we could get a total of $250 per week

    So in essence we were incentivised to refuse shifts at the restaurant (which were bloody hard work) and instead seek cash jobs on the grey market.
     
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    Good grief, yeah. I'd vote for Yang twice over the current officeholder.
     
  24. Moishe

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    My money is on his suffering from erectile dysfunction or he just has an animosity towards Asians.
     
  25. ceezmad

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    #875 ceezmad, Sep 20, 2019
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    This part.

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/02/02/india-debates-the-case-for-a-universal-basic-income

    Plus Yang has already backed out a bit on replacing all other welfare programs with UBI, so he now claims that if you can opt in, or keep your current programs.

    So the savings that would come from getting rid of all other welfare programs are not going to be there any more (there will be some savings, but there are fixed cost on keeping them around for those than want them).


    In practice you waste too much money by giving it to everyone, but politically you have to bribe everyone to get them to vote for your program, so I do understand the dilemma of UBI.

    But to argue against what Xtom would prefer.

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/04/06/a-better-anti-poverty-plan-for-india


    That is what UBI tries to solve, if a benefit only goes to a few people, it does not matter if it is any good, because the voters will be upset that someone else is getting "free" benefits, and they will vote to shut them down out of jealousy.

    Their solution


    Then again, the rich 25% would then use all their free speech rights ($$$$$$$$$$) to lobby to reduce or eliminate such program.
     

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