Pre-match: International Friendly: USA vs Mexico; September 6th

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  1. EXALIFTIN

    EXALIFTIN Member+

    Nov 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure how I feel about giving minutes to someone who might not be there for our meaningful games, I'd rather have Cannon starting as there's a chance he'll be our starting RB for WC qualifying. Cannon did well in the GC final but I want to see how he holds up against Mexico's A team
     
  2. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He will be there if he’s called.
     
  3. kickin365

    kickin365 Member+

    Mar 4, 2002
    Part of giving him the minutes is to increase his chances he is there when qualifying happens. Maybe GGG will play both Dest and Cannon, either would be better than Ream or Lovitz at LB.
     
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  4. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Amazing.
     
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  5. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You could add we just saw Cannon play Mexico. Granted that Mexico isn’t as strong as this Mexico is but it will at least be an interesting way to compare the two.
     
  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't agree with the last statement at all. I completely concede that the Netherlands is better and will likely be better than us over time, but I can build a compelling argument around the size of the role Dest would play in the rise of a national team -- a very special generation -- that will culminate in the 2026 World Cup. He'll be 25, and there will be all of America watching as our program takes a massive step forward. He'll do it with his friends from the U20 team and be remembered forever.

    Okay, that may be projecting a bit much, but the reality is that the opportunity for Dest with the US is so much more in so many ways. He's so much more likely to play, start and play a major role with us than he is with the Dutch.

    And that's before we factor in that we're the ones who believed in him, and that the Dutch still don't -- they needed pressure to even offer a U23.

    There's a reason for picking the US.
     
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  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We have a true embarras de richesses at RB: Cannon, Lima, Yedlin, Dest, Adams, Moore. It reminds me of some point during the Klinsmann years when we had up to 7 guys who could play the defensive CM role (6/8 hybrid) in the team.

    Of course, one can do like JK and start three or even four defensive CMs, but one can only use one RB, at most two if you push one forward to be a pseudo-winger.
     
  8. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    If I had to guess I would say yes, to some extent, especially when they are new to a team. People tend to identify with people with whom they have commonalities. With time they may gravitate toward one person or another but sharing some of the same experiences may provide an initial bond.
     
  9. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    #434 Mahtzo1, Sep 5, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2019
    That is the gist of my feelings on where our development system is at the moment. We are at a point of rapid improvement where the exponential nature becomes apparent.

    In our last cycle we had one new young player that could very likely turn into the best player in our history to this point and already there are young players with apparent ceilings that could approach or even surpass those heights. Pulisic last cycle, Richards, Adams, Pomykal, Leyva, Reyna and many others this cycle. (I don't count duals like Dest because they are American but not a reflection of the US development system)

    Of course there are a number of reasons that any one or all of the players mentioned above won't reach or surpass Pulisic's level but it's pretty safe to say that the pool of young talent in the US has never been this rich...and it appears to be getting better.
     
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  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Could start Dest at LB against Mexico.
     
  11. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    If he passes to Holden I will be very impressed. Those Booths are way up in the box seats
     
  12. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    ??? GGG, is that you posting?
     
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  13. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    pulisic, brooks, morales, steffen and johnson will be released after the mex match which is vaguely interesting in a couple of ways.

    first- youd THINK that would indicate morales will start this one, but also i wonder if gonzalez will get the start vs uruguay. thats assuming no one is added (which i wouldnt be surprised by a couple of mls additions) or, obviously, berhalter doing the most boring thing possible and going with guzan.
     
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  14. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Great post. I’ve been thinking it will be a shame if our ceiling this cycle and next is limited by the quality of our coaching and fed. Not saying it will happen but Imagine what this same group of guys might accomplish with a Tata for example.
     
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  15. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
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  16. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Good lineup. Morales and Pom outside midfielders, though? Does that make sense?

    Either way, we lose this one 4-0.
     
  17. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    I don’t think they would play like that under our system. More likely Morales at 6 and Pom and Wes dual 8/10s.
     
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  18. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Will be interesting to see. Wish we had Adams so the McKennie partnership can mature. A shame this injury has kept him out so long.

    Edit: Of course, Berhalter may want Adams at right back, which is idiotic.
     
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  19. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the Mexicans keep yelling that Puuto chant of theirs, will the referee have the balls to stop this friendly?
     
  20. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My line up tonight:

    —————Sargent——————-
    Pulisic——————————-Boyd
    ———Pax——-—-Wes(C)————
    ——————Fredo———————
    Dest———————————Cannon
    ———-Brooks——Long—————
    ——————Steffen——————-

    Note: at the half, switch Cannon and Dest.


    Bench:
    Guzan
    Robinson (Long) 85
    Lima (Dest) 85
    Yuiell (Fredo) 70
    Lletget (Pax) 70
    Zardes (Sargent) 90
    Morris (Boyd) 70
     
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  21. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Zardes is my go-to 90 minute sub as well. Unless we are in extra time at a tournament.
     
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  22. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    you guys know Trapp and Zardes are starting, yes?
     
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  23. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    For me, start Dest, start Morales, start Sargent. Pomykal is probably too hurt/tired to have a good start so give him 45 or 30 minutes. Also, I just want to see Lletget get a decent start.
     
  24. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    is that a 730 kickoff or a 730 beginning of a lengthy pregame show? anyone know?
     
  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The Clint Eastwood XI...………………..
    And I don't care about the scoreline. We won't lose 4-0, but I don't really care if we do.
    This friendly is about building and learning. This seems like a fairly common lineup suggestion, so its sure to be totally wrong.

    --------------Sargent------------
    Pulisic------------------------Boyd--
    -------McKennie--Pomykal----
    ----------------Morales-----------------
    Dest---Brooks---Long----Cannon
    -------------Steffen-----------------
     
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