September '19 u23 Camp

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  1. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1 thedukeofsoccer, Aug 23, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2019
    This will reportedly be taking place around the same time and maybe place as well as the senior camp. I think it will essentially be a u-23 b-team. The u-23's who are good enough to be senior national teamers will be used there instead. I think it'll be second tier MLS prospects and European reservists/youth teamers/lower level players.

    Who do you think will be called up? Here's a list of the most viable players off the top of my head:

    cf: Toye, Ebobisse, Ferreira, Vazquez, Soto
    a-wing: Lewis, Reyna, Llanez, Saucedo, Lennon, LDLT
    cm: Cappis, Parks, Yueill, Aaronson, Mihailovic, Servania
    fb: Dotson, Duncan, Gutman, Araujo
    cb: Glad, Trusty, EPB, Pines
    gk: Marcinkowski, Freese, Klinsmann
     
  2. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well we know Haji Wright was called so there's 1.
     
  3. kba4life1

    kba4life1 Member+

    Jul 14, 2010
    Irvine, CA
    I might lose my shit if Mihailovic is called to the Sr team in September while Pomykal is called to the U23s. Just fair warning.
     
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  4. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    GK: Freese, Marcinkowski, Klinsmann
    DF: Dest, Araujo, Trusty, Richards, McKenzie, Keita, Acosta, Robinson
    MF: Cappis, Servania, Yueill, Mihailovic, Carleton, Ledezma, Lewis, Ferreira
    FW: Sargent, Weah, Soto, Wright

    Senior team: Pulisic, McKennie, Cannon, Glad, Robinson, Ebobisse, Sabbi
    Injured/Don't Call in: Durkin, Sands, Amon, Taitague, Gloster (needs to settle in at PSV), Palmer-Brown (needs to settle in at Vienna), Carter-Vickers (needs to settle in at Stoke), Pomykal (injury/fatigue)
    Alternates: Vom Steeg, Herrera, Farfan, Cerrillo, Zelalem, Mendez, Lennon, Saucedo, Vazquez

    Players younger than '00 are not in consideration, if I'm running the team, except for Araujo. Thats not a player the program can afford to lose to the Mexican program and they snubbed him from the initial U-20 WC roster, so playing him above his age group here might be needed. I made this quickly, so I could've missed a deserving player or two.
     
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  5. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
    Do you think Carleton's performance is currently good to be called to the U23 team?
     
  6. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't think performance applies much at youth level. You call in the best players. Plenty of players I suggested are playing very minimal minutes anywhere. In fact, half or more of the team isn't in good form and playing every week, so its besides the point to begin with. Although, I acknowledge that there's a large-scale campaign against Carleton for reasons that aren't worth discussing, so it's not surprising that people would object to that instead of McKenzie or Klinsmann or Acosta or Sargent, who all barely play each week, if they do at all. There's such an interest from so many who claim this player isn't any good. Fascinating.

    As to Carleton's performances, I think he's recently had some very good, and some indifferent performances playing for Atlanta's reserves. I also have long said that regarding his performances in this team is stupid because he's a player who needs to play with other talented players around him due to his style of play. His performances in the Atlanta reserve team have always been worse than his performances in the first team or youth national teams.
     
  7. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
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  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The full roster won't likely come in any time soon because that's the history and clubs aren't obligated to release players for this. Expect to see names trickling in over the next week.

     
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  9. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Player pool...

    * = YA first team player

    GK Freese, Ochoa, Klinsmann, Scott, Muse, Marcinkowski, Odunze

    RB Araujo, Lennon, Olosunde, Perez, Scally (injured), Duncan, Fossey, Anderson

    CB Glad, Pines, McKenzie, Keita, Trusty, Sands (injured), Palmer-Brown*, Richards, Carter-Vickers*, Edwards

    LB Herrera, Vines, Real, A. Robinson*, Bello, Lindsay, Acosta

    M6 Servania, Cerrillo, Cappis*, Durkin, Scott , Kuzain, Jones

    M8 Bassett, Parks, Mendez, Amaya, Fernandez, Leyva, Zelalem

    10 Mihailovic, Aaronson, Llanez, Ledezma, Busio, Reyna, De la Torre, Booth, Fontana, Carleton

    RW Sabbi*, Toye, Konrad, Roberts

    FW Ebobisse, Vasquez, Ferreira, Soto, Wright*, Pynadath, Akinola, Yow, Ocampo-Chavez, Pepi, Rennicks, Michel

    LW Lewis, Saucedo, Amon*, Perez, Akale

    Senior team: Cannon, Yuiell, Pomykal, Pulisic, Weah, Adams (injured), McKennie, Sargent, M. Robinson, Dest

    —————————————
    Out of that group, not calling in any first team YA’s or senior players, my 23...

    GK Freese, Ochoa, Klinsmann
    RB Araujo, Lennon
    CB Richards*, Glad, McKenzie, Trusty* (Pines)
    LB Herrera, Vines
    M6 Servania, Scott* (Cerrillo)
    M8 Parks, Mendez
    10 Aaronson, Mihailovic
    RW Llanez (Ledezma), Toye
    FW Soto (Lewis*), Wright
    LW Ferreira, Ebobisse

    *If Soto was not able to be called in. Call in Lewis and move Ebobisse back to CF.
    *Pines is first CB alternate if Richards or Trusty can’t go.
    *I understand Cerrillo is already called in, but personally, I wish we could see what Kyle Scott has to offer.
    *At this point, Llanez or Ledezma are interchangeable. I guess if both can’t be called in then try next Konrad then Saucedo.
     
  10. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    ledezma and llanez seem like entirely different players imo
     
  11. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
  12. Luksarus

    Luksarus Member

    United States
    Jul 27, 2018
    Maybe the YouTube page will stream the game as it did with U20 WNT vs Japan
     
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  13. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anyone have a DOB for Andrew Thomas?
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Stunned to see Niko Hamaleinen at this camp. He's actually debuted for the senior Finnish national team, right?

    Surely he hasn't submitted a one time switch to play for the US U23s. Surely.

    He does play a position of need, though. He's a left back. Not exactly the deepest position for us.......................
     
  15. Tactical Hipster

    Dec 23, 2014
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah he appeared in a friendly on january 11th of this year against Estonia. idk he barely has any appearances at any of the teams he has been at and is 22...
     
  16. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Niko Hamaleinen also might be cup tied for the 2020 Olympics. He played for the Finnish U-21s in qualifying for this summer's UEFA U-21 Championship which served as Olympic qualifying for UEFA. At least that is the way it works for the U-20 and U-17 World Cup.

    I guess Richie Ledezma's absence will be the biggest source of concern.
     
  17. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    That should be an interesting midfield.
     
  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Folks will always be concerned, but all of Ledesma's actions suggest we shouldn't be.

    And of course, he wasn't on that Mexico U23 roster (or they call it U22) that was just released either. Jonathan Gonzalez was on that one.
     
  19. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    All of the chicken little stuff regarding youth player commitment is off-putting.

    It seems like it happens after every roster release. "So and so doesn't want to be our friend anymore!!!" Goodness, people. Have some cajones.
     
  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    @bshredder I'm a little surprised that we have no Hobro players at the U23 or US camps. :) Sabbi and Cappis in particular. Not released or not selected?
     
  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I have him as a '97, but I don't remember where I got that info.

    Here's a list of all U23 callups to this point. Obviously the practical pool for this team is bigger than this -- I would thing anyone down to the current U17 roster, and up to some guys in the MNT pool. are at least on a list somewhere.

    I marked Zubak (roster status change) and Ferreira as asterisks, more or less.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zxurBh6g_Z5mIqWXUb6k7_rHxUnDstOKqTyLgnErln4/edit?usp=sharing
     
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  22. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't expect them to roll it out at once. Maybe he just decided he wasn't going to wait for releases this time.

    It's solid, but there are a few I'm miffed about their exclusion, especially Araujo. It may be because of a match date conflict, but a # of other players are on the roster who'd have the same issue. If that was indeed the issue they better still be keeping in contact w/ him to explain the reason for exclusion.

    Parks and Ebobisse would be the most unjust exclusions from a merit standpoint. But they also have games around that time and maybe are just considered too indispensable.

    Cappis and Richards also should have been there if made available.

    Can't complain about Ledezma being left off. Hasn't proven much at the club level and the CAM group is strong.
     
  23. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    I don't know, but I just want to be on record saying SNUBS!
     
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  24. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Per Brian Sciaretta in the U-20 thread
    , Araujo was called for the U-20 camp but not released by the Galaxy.
     
  25. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, but that's below Julian's current pay-grade, and if it was a higher honor we don't know if the release may have occurred.
     

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