The current state of our youth national teams

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by xbhaskarx, Jan 17, 2019.

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  1. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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  2. TxEx

    TxEx Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur, Crystal Palace, FC Dallas
    Aug 19, 2016
    DFW
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Relatively speaking, young American Yth players are inexpensive. It makes sense in a league like the Eredivisie where maximizing profits via the sales of players, that teams there would scout our rising stars. Hopefully this wave will produce and encourage more Dutch teams to sign our players.
     
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  3. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    I’ve heard that Bundesliga youth contracts are like €4k a month, I’ve heard €3k net, and €10k at Bayern. I think a non-EU U-20 gets about €17k.
     
  4. Not for Dutch clubs. As a non EU player they're very expensive. South American talents have played competitive matches in adult leagues, which gives them a head start to US talents for risking that high salary required.
     
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  5. TxEx

    TxEx Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur, Crystal Palace, FC Dallas
    Aug 19, 2016
    DFW
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I meant that acquiring Americans usually means no transfer fee or something cheap as opposed to having to pay South American clubs, or other European clubs a transfer fee. So paying a straight non-EU salary is cheaper than paying a transfer fee + EU wage.

    Germany obviously has an even bigger advantage which is why they're so heavily recruiting young Americans but the biggest clubs in the Netherlands with Jong teams can take a chance on an American or two if they believe in the upside.
     
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    August 2:
    That is really not something that can be said with any certainty, given all the variables.

    Dest making his Ajax debut on August 10:
     
  7. We crashed out of the qualifications for the WC2018 because we put in a defender that had no CL/EL matches under his belt, just a couple of Eredivisie matches. So zero top level experience. Before Dest even has reached a cv that warrants attention, it will be a long time.
    Koeman isnot an idiot. Plus there are others with a cv that reads/fits better and of his age that are in front of him.
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Tangentially related to USYNTs. It looks like Earnie Stewart has been promoted.
    So that means a new US soccer general manager needs to be hired to oversee UYSNTs...............

     
  9. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    To those who weren't able to figure out what Earnie was doing. He worked on getting promoted.
     
  10. bpet15

    bpet15 Member+

    Oct 4, 2016
    This is great news. In what other organization can you take over a year to hire one of your most important positions, leave 3/4 vacancies, lose your DA Director...and still get promoted. Anyone know where I can find an application?
     
  11. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
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    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most big companies and government agencies do exactly that. Get rid of the poor worker / manager in your department by talking them up to another department. They're their problem then.
     
  12. Peter Bonetti

    Peter Bonetti Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    1970 WC Quarterfinal
    To anyone upset that Ernie Stewart was promoted: better him to work with that giant bureaucracy than you or me! :D

    I don’t assume that kind of promotion to be a blessing. He can have it!
     
  13. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    In don't understand. Fans have been complaining since Couva that USSF is inadequately structured and horribly run by non soccer people. Now that the organization is developing an actual org chart with soccer people running soccer departments, fans are still pissed off.
     
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  14. bpet15

    bpet15 Member+

    Oct 4, 2016
    I don’t think anyone is pissed off, per say. I think it’s more comedy from the Fed. Guy is brought in, hires GB, can’t fill the many YNT coaching positions and then is promoted.
     
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  15. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

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    Aug 31, 2017
    Wicky was a pretty damn good hire if you ask me. Kreis is there for the 23s. Ramos is still in with the 20s. No other position is really very important or pressing.
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In addition to keeping in touch with the top USYNT prospects, hopefully somebody at US Soccer is going after dual nationals like Balogun and Siebatcheu...

     
  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No big deal, rest assured that Gregg Berhalter has contact with Gyasi Zardes
     
  20. bpet15

    bpet15 Member+

    Oct 4, 2016
    How dare they do that. Don't they know all they're doing is inflating his ego and will turn him into a spoiled footballer like all the rest.
     
  21. ckajMonet

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    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 8, 2017
    The usmnt twitter fanbase is full of pathetic reactionaries and reading those replies just reinforces that fact. How dumb do you have to be to think that Chile’s senior manager contacting one of our youth players reflects poorly on anyone at US Soccer. 10 years ago we we were not developing so many talented dual nationals as we are now. As the DA system improves so too will foreign NT attention on domestic developed players
    Yeah man, the only thing standing between Soto and NT attention is Zardes, it has nothing to do w/ his incredibly small first team resume. Very healthy that US fans latch onto a new whipping boy every couple years
     
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  22. bpet15

    bpet15 Member+

    Oct 4, 2016
    I can’t imagine anyone thinking it reflects poorly on US Soccer, but nothing would surprise me. I actually think it is a compliment to the US in the fact a recent South American Champion wants one of our kids.

    What reflects poorly on US Soccer is the fact Chile’s Manager is making contact with our player while our own MNT Manager probably hasn’t. We don’t know that for sure, but their are pages in here about our lack of contact by the full team staff to our YNT prospects.
     
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  23. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

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    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Let's be honest. Our fan base is pathetic. In relative terms, our fan base is much further behind than our talent pool.
     
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  24. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

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    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    He just played in the U20 World Cup. He has had extensive contact and involvement with the US program. Whether or not Gregg Berhalter has given him an atta boy really shouldn't impact his feelings toward the program. I can see where a player in a different situation would warrant contact, but this seems crazy to imply that Chile could suddenly jump ahead of the US in his heart just because the coach gave him a call.
     
  25. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's a much better question:

    How dumb do you have to be to think that the US national team coach, general manager, or sporting director, should NOT bother contacting top USYNT prospects when high level representatives from other senior national teams such as Chile's manager and Mexico's sporting director are actively doing so?

    Hmmm...
     
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