Monday 5 Aug 2019

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minnesota United 1, Portland Timbers 0 | 2019 MLS Match Recap
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...minnesota-united-fc-vs-portland-timbers/recap

    Minnesota United edges Portland Timbers 1-0 with late penalty
    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/mi...edges-portland-timbers-1-0-with-late-penalty/

    DC United 1, Philadelphia Union 5 | 2019 MLS Match Recap
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2019-08-04-dc-united-vs-philadelphia-union/recap

    D.C. United falls flat at home again, takes a 5-1 beating from Philadelphia
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...bb69e8c4e39_story.html?utm_term=.a9f55e8cecd0

    ‘Congress, do something now’: MLS player grabs on-field mic, urges action on gun violence

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...ress-end-gun-violence/?utm_term=.8ee88c1374b4

    Seattle Sounders 2, Sporting Kansas City 3 | 2019 MLS Match Recap
    https://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/m...tle-sounders-fc-vs-sporting-kansas-city/recap

    Sounders drop regular-season series to Sporting Kansas City, losing 3-2 in second home pitch defeat this season
    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...-3-2-in-second-home-pitch-defeat-this-season/

    MLS Week 22: Shutouts and Own Goals
    https://ussoccerplayers.com/2019/08/mls-week-22-shutouts-and-own-goals.html

    Armchair Analyst: All 24 MLS teams in review | Week 22 analysis
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/08/05/armchair-analyst-all-24-mls-teams-review-week-22-analysis

    FC Cincinnati name Ron Jans head coach
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/08/04/fc-cincinnati-name-ron-jans-head-coach

    Decade of Excellence: Peter Vermes reaches 10th anniversary as Sporting KC Manager
    https://www.sportingkc.com/post/2019/08/04/decade-excellence-peter-vermes-reaches-10th-anniversary-sporting-kc-manager

    Sources: Chicago Fire in discussions to hire former NCAA coach Ken Lolla as ‘chief culture officer’
    https://theathletic.com/1113795/201...lla-named-chicago-fire-chief-culture-officer/

    What would an all-Homegrown FC Dallas XI look like?
    https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/soccer/soccer/2019/08/04/homegrown-fc-dallas-xi-look-like

    Fans marching to Sounders match hear curses from people who pledge allegiance to Proud Boys organization
    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...pledge-allegiance-to-proud-boys-organization/

    Fiorentina go for MLS forward
    https://www.football-italia.net/141669/fiorentina-go-mls-forward

    New York Red Bulls’ Aaron Long: ‘I’ve removed myself’ from transfer talks
    https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/new-york-red-bulls/new-york-red-bulls-aaron-long-ive-removed-myself-from-transfer-rumors/

    David Beckham's Inter Miami: Update on first players, links to Falcao and other star signings
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/3910752/david-beckhams-inter-miami-update-on-first-playerslinks-to-falcao-and-other-star-signings
     
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  2. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire


    Rocco really going to pay MLS or is he going to miss out and then complain about MLS. I would go with the latter.
     
  3. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought in the moment that Bedoya was probably going to get fined, but as I think about it...

    He didn't call out the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania, or either political party. It was pretty bi-partisan. Congress, do something. No arguments from a vast majority of us on either side of the spectrum, I think, though we may differ in the doing.

    He didn't even swear, for goodness sakes.

    He might get an email from the league office. Maybe. Shouldn't be anything more than that.
     
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  4. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I don't think Bedoya should be punished, either, but what he did was every bit as political as ECS flying an Antifa flag, and we've learned within the last week that fans are not allowed to engage in political speech in the stadium. Unless MLS punishes Bedoya, they are the worst form of hypocrites. But we knew that already.
     
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  5. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    I doubt the league or team punishes Bedoya.

    What will they do about the antifa flags flying very visibly in Seattle yesterday?
     
  6. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry but I don't see this as a political statement by screaming for elected leaders to take action. The fact that MLS included it in the highlights looks like there will be no fine. Banning a flag that uses a form of violence against a hate group is still violence. Two complete different ideologies of one going outside the system to fix a problem (but any means necessary) and asking those in charge of the system to create new laws.
     
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  7. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    So, when a player picks up a microphone in the middle of a game and asks Congress to pass legislation outlawing abortion, you'll be fine with that?
     
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  8. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nazis/fascists deserve no diplomacy. You can't talk or vote that kind of hate out.
     
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  9. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mobs don't deserve to decide justice.
     
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  10. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good counter point, I guess i stand corrected. But they have announced he won't get fined.
     
  11. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    People who use violence to snuff out anyone they disagree with are just as bad as the Nazis/fascists they claim to be so different from.
     
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  12. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    I'm confused, which party runs on a platform of allowing gun violence? Abortion is political because there are two large opposing sides that both have excuses as to why the other side is wrong and they are right. Is there anything but a minuscule part of the country that thinks that it is right to wander into a public place and cause a massacre? Bedoya didn't say anything about gun control, which is a political issue, but gun violence. Now, does he believe in forms of gun control? Probably. But his message was one of stopping violence and hate. If THAT is a political statement then we really need to re-assess how we view politics.

    And I have no desire to get into a political debate, I'm just sort of confused as to how we as a society can somehow look at civilian violence of any kind and then act like there is any political side to it.
     
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  13. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See how easy it is?

    Now how about trying a conversation that seeks truth, a common ground for reasoning with your fellow human beings, rather than just spewing the sloganeering cant of your college's catechism?
     
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  14. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You're too cute by half.

    Bedoya said he wanted Congress to act now to end gun violence. If that doesn't mean gun control, then what does it mean? Just what legislation is he proposing that won't involve some sort of gun control?

    And yes, there are (at least) two sides to a gun control discussion in Congress, and they don't necessarily break along party lines.

    And there's also the pesky issue of the Constitution that gets in the way of Congress doing whatever it chooses with respect to gun control, just as it would with doing whatever it chooses in terms of banning abortion.

    This was a nice bit of political virtue-signalling by Bedoya that has opened a Pandora's Box. Let me repeat, I'm fine with him skating with no punishment from MLS. But I'm also fine with everyone else in the stadium having their soap box, too. I suspect you are not. And I know for a fact Don Garber isn't.
     
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  15. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bedoya's action was, in my opinion, fine. It sounded like an appeal to all of us. Don Gagliardi suggested that it was still overtly political, and asked us what we would think if the statement had been about banning abortion. But I think in this case the equivalent would have been a statement about "stopping violence against children"......
    That's my perspective, anyway.
     
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  16. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point.....will have to think it over. :coffee:
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know you're smarter than this. Look at the myraid of solutions that have been proposed just this weekend that don't involved gun control. Mental health funding. Video game banning. Violent TV and movies. etc. There's no explicit call in Bedoya's statement for gun control.

    Now do I believe he was calling for gun control? Absolutely (I also believe that's what should be done, but that's neither here nor there). But MLS is able to split a very fine hair on this one because he didn't express support for any specific issue or side in a political debate. He just called on Congress to take action to stop the violence. Your abortion comparison is a bit of apples to oranges, I think @TOAzer's example is a closer parallel, but I'll admit neither is a perfect match.

    I also agree with the general point you're tying to make. Its easy for MLS to let this pass because its a popular statement at this specific time. But what happens if say (and i realize we're going from MLS to NWSL for this example) Jaelene Hinkle picks up a field side mic and calls on Congress to take action to protect marriages (or a MLS player does it). Again, nothing in that statement expresses a specific political stance but its also one that's easy to read between the lines (like Bedoya's is) to see that it would be a call against same-sex marriage, a stance that is not particularly popular at this time and one MLS/NWSL would likely not want to be associated with.
     
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  18. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    It's political by definition.
     
  19. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My lawyer did a better job of explaining my point of view than I did. :thumbsup:
     
  20. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Yeah, if you're calling for politicians to do or not do something, it's political.
     
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  22. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A couple of things to consider about Bedoya's act. First, it was a nationally televised game. Second, it was a game in Washington, the seat of government. Would he have said or done the same thing if the game were not on national t.v. or if the Union were playing someplace else, like Toronto or Salt Lake City? Would he have done it if the team were playing in Chester?

    What I did love about Bedoya is the way he made his statement. It sounded like a coach giving a team a pep talk before a game or the start of the second half..."Let's go!". There was nothing stern or melodramatic about it...just sounded like enthusiastic encouragement.
     
  23. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  24. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since I turned the game off early, I needed to be reminded that he scored the first goal. It happened so fast I honestly didn't pay attention to any celebration.

    I agree gun violence is an issue. I have not been involved directly in anything, but tangentially over the years:

    1. Lived relatively close to a couple of the DC Sniper locations,
    2. Graduated from Virginia Tech about a decade before the shootings. But, I was a civil engineering student and a significant amount of my courses were at Norris Hall...(even had one of the profs)
    3. I flew threw Ataturk Airport in Istanbul about 4 months before attackers claimed over 40 lives...this was by suicide-bombers.
    4. This past weekend, someone that has worked at my agency for over 30 years was killed in a murder-suicide in the DMV.

    But, even though my desire would be for no one in the world to have weapons of any kind...which would be miraculous. I am also pragmatic enough that people would still need to carry weapons to hunt, or protect livestock from animals, etc. But, at some point, someone would use one of those on a person and the whole cycle would start elevating again.

    Anyway, I don't really have answers, but do think people need to start meeting neighbors in person instead of seeing everything through social media.
     
  25. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You want me to sit down and have discourse with people who hate me because of what they perceive as lower bloodlines? Because I have Jewish and pre-hispanic roots? I can deal with people not liking me for my beliefs or lifestyle, there is no common ground to find with white supremacists, don't be daft.
     

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