US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

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  1. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    oh come on is there any other thread you can say you dont like gay people and claim you are the victim?
     
  2. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow I thought this was the Trump thread and it turns out it is the pay thread. Apologies for getting so far astray.
     
  3. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  4. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    thats not what they said they said they felt that the group performance does so in a manner that people consider their sexuality a joke while the participants in the parade do not consider the issue/their sexuality a joke.

    this is also why I don't believe ur parade story you lied about this even though its in an article.
     
  5. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The article even does the "20 friendly" math (winning all games) and claims that the women would make more than men. I haven't bothered to check. I know the initial "20 friendly" claim was done in 2015 before the CBA. I am wondering if it's mentioned in the lawsuit this year as well. Something doesn't add up at least on that point. So I am wondering if that 70k salary is correct.

    With respect to WC bonus prize, I don't think you necessarily have to justify their smaller bonus prizes by the fact they bring in less revenues. As a business you can justify a pay discrepancy (as a percent of total revenue/profit) by counting it as an investment with potential return into the future. It's about recognizing potential growth and untapped market. So I don't think it all has to be tied to revenue generation. However, they'd need for other countries federations to buy in. The USWNT rightly mentions as one of their points that FIFA needs to make sure other federations putting more of the money they receive into their women's program. They understand that their money depends on global interest, not only American.
     
  6. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    no you just refuse to read the article.

    What isn't her job and why isn't it her job to wear the teams jersey?

    what made the jersey acceptable one day and unacceptable the next?
     
  7. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    im telling you I think the men should just agree to a bonus cut and then see where that goes from there.
     
  8. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    The "20 friendly" bit of stupidity is irrelevant w.r.t. the 70k NWSL salary bit. The latter is absolutely part of the current CBA, though.
     
  9. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    You have failed. You continue to fail.

    When you decide to argue in good faith, let me know.
     
  10. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Right. I would just take it as a means of comparison if the women ever do play close to that amount of friendly games in a year. The men obviously never do. You can also argue that if you pick 5 games instead of 20, the women would make a lot more money than the men considering the make a base salary. But neither comparison is valid because their pay structure is so much different.

    However, you probably shouldn't use the 70k salary in any comparison because that's for work done for the NWSL and not the NT ... even if it comes from the same source.
     
  11. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Except that it comes from the same Tax ID.
     
  12. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want to see Reggie Cannon contact the media and gripe to them he doesn't get equal pay with women's players who get higher win bonuses and a 100k/yr salary. That's more than Reggie makes for his club and so that would be a nice boost to his financial security and lifestyle in the interim, huh. As is he just has to hope he gets consistent call-ups and isn't befallen by injury.
     
  13. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    No. That 70k needs to be included. Here’s the argument: the players getting 70k could earn more overseas. In many cases, much, much more. So why do they accept less from USSF to play here? Because their personal earnings and brand value are inextricably linked (and enhanced) by their affiliation with the USWNT and North American soccer generally. Much more so than the men. This suggests that they are receiving something of value in the excess of any direct financial payment from USSF: the ability to maximize their brand/endorsements by virtue of staying in North America.

    Let’s put it this way: if the typical 70k recipient could earn 150k overseas, the 70k league stipend is worth more than 70k. It’s worth (at least) 150k. You could argue that it’s down to personal circumstances if it were a couple players, but it’s all of them.
     
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  14. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Trying to reason with a_new_fan is futile. It's hilarious that, even on ignore, his toxic trolling continues to derail dozens of posts.

    On topic, I'd like to see what the NWSL gets in terms of attendance in the end. Their average attendance is at USL Championship level, mainly boosted by Portland (USL, by contrast, is dragged waaay down by MLS reserve teams).

    I don't think many (any?) USL players are pulling in bigger salaries than USWNT players at 70K (for 1/3rd seasons, 20 games are with the WNT), unless they're MLS players on loan.
     
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  15. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's reward the NWSL fans and new fans alike by going on a Victory Tour and taking NWSL USWNT players away from even more NWSL games!
     
  16. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    So why didnt did want to war the jersey?

    Why did she have to consult with God and pray about it if religion wasn't a factor?
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    What I would say is that the NWSL brass have an understanding when it comes to these players. I've never heard NWSL front office or ownership complain about it. After all, its the USSF that's paying the salaries of these USWNTers.

    It can't be stated often enough what the critical difference is between the USMNT and USWNT. The women have contracts with salaries. They get paid whether they're selected or not. They get paid by the USSF if they're out injured, on maternity leave, etc. etc. Just like a club team contract. To a large degree the UWNTers traded some bonus money/per diem for added job security. Now they want to have their cake and eat it too. Which is fine. They'll never have more leverage.

    It does lead to the "haves" and "have nots" within the domestic women's game. If you're not one of the lucky ones with a USWNT contract, then you are struggling to make a career out of soccer. The MAXIMUM player salary in the NWSL is $46k. Consider that the MINIMUM salary in MLS is $56k in 2019. So the maximum NWSL salary is lower than the MLS minimum...................

    Dante Sealy, a 16 year old signed to an MLS contract with FCD, makes $108k this season. That's more than twice the maximum NWSL salary. He is unlikely to actually play a game for FC Dallas this year.....................
     
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  18. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
     
  19. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    The most frustrating part of this, IMO, is that US soccer is the one taking a beating on this.

    Four streams of money:
    -FIFA WC Pot: this one will lag because it’s every 4 years and women’s revenues (cycle over cycle) are growing in relative terms faster than the men’s.

    -NWSL: who has essentially zero cash to do anything to alleviate this. They defer to the WNT because it’s their only real source of commercial viability (for now). So if you miss a match and wanna see the rest of the NWSL, head over to your local Starbucks where they’re working behind the counter.

    -sponsors: who can sweep in and play the “hero”, perpetuating the notion that things have been incredibly unfair to the women.

    -USSF: who has inarguably done the most to work with the WNT to bridge all of these revenue streams. Higher WC payout as % of rev, base salaries to take heat of NWSL and to provide the women better endorsement opps by staying in the market where brand value is highest.

    There are a lot of valid reasons to criticize USSF, but they fact remains that they have a huge set of responsibilities—more than any pro sports franchise—and they operate with a comparatively tiny budget.
     
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  20. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I think this bears repeating. Unfortunately, I'm going to guess that you don't have the ear of Sally Jenkins or anyone at the Gray Lady, etc.
     
  21. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    So why didnt she wear the jersey?

    Why did she reference her faith and talk to god if religion wasn't a factor.
     
  22. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    It’s really bizarre to see the strange bedfellows that have come of this on social media and politically.

    -Many of the #equalpay contingent have been using this opportunity to denigrate the men with language that is eerily similar to the following xenophobic/sexist/homophobic rant many of us of a certain vintage have heard: “Soccer is an unAmerican sport best left to women. Any boy who plays soccer is either unathletic, a ‘************’, or both. And any boy who is neither will hopefully come to his senses and play a ‘real’ man’s sport by the time they’re 14.” It’s not said among the equal pay crowd in precisely these terms, but some of the statements have been a little too close for comfort for those of us in our 40s/50s who grew up playing outside of a select few soccer epicenters.

    -The pols crying for equal pay in this scenario but who spend most of their time in wage discussions arguing for the 99%. Not realizing that these women are the 1% to their broke ass club teammates’ 99% and that this is the source of most of the structural compensation differences between the men and women.

    -People like many of us here, who say, “Hold on a minute. The facts aren’t exactly in the table here.” Which is true. But unfortunately the same statements are made by wack nut “men’s rights” groups.

    It’s been....interesting.
     
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  23. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
     
  24. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I think many/most of the comments have been respectful. It has been mostly a good discussion. I will say that bringing NWSL into this is irrelevant: we all know that the USWNT is way more popular than the NWSL. The only meaningful comparison is USWNT vs USMNT: attendance per game, total attendance, attendance at WCs (inclusive of all games). Bruce
    edit: I make liberal use of the ignore button so I might be out of the loop on crazy shite!
     
  25. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    "Interesting" in the Chinese curse sense, unfortunately way too often.
     
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