Best technique

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  1. leadleader

    leadleader Member+

    Aug 19, 2009
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    #251 leadleader, Jul 4, 2019
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    False. Categorically false. The legendary back line that completely neutralized Romario, was literally one player: Franco Baresi... it had fairly little to do with the other Italian defenders, be that Paolo Maldini or any other name. In other words, Franco Baresi did not played any of Italy's KO Stage games; Okocha was not playing against Franco Baresi... Okocha was not playing against the one man defence that stopped and neutralized Romario.

    Please, if you want to hate on Romario (as you always do), at least get your facts correct; Italy without Franco Baresi was not a great defence, in fact, Italy without Baresi conceded 5 goals in 5 games, not bad, but also not uniquely legendary; and especially not uniquely legendary when you consider the little known fact that Italy's midfield (much like Spain's 2010 midfield) was the one that was doing most of the defending, with Maldini and Co. having little to do and not doing it well; 5 goals conceded after 5 games... does not tell you just how unimpressive and inconsistent Maldini and Co. were as defenders.

    Maldini up until that game vs. Nigeria (and especially right after that game) had had a categorically mediocre World Cup 1994... It really is nothing short of shocking how Paolo Maldini World Cup 1994 has been - on the basis of pure fiction - inflated into an all time great defensive performance. The truth is, Maldini was literally (no exaggeration here) one of Italy's worst defenders after 4 games, in fact, Maldini v Nigeria was one of the worst performances I have ever witnessed by a world class defender, let alone by an al time great iconic emblematic defender such as Paolo Maldini; in summary, Maldini should have been red carded (probably two times in that game alone), and if memory serves me well, Maldini literally assisted one of Nigeria's goals. Absolutely terrible performance; it still is difficult for me to explain how Nigeria managed to not win that game... Honestly, Maldini should have been red carded (probably twice), and Nigeria should have won against a 9 men Italy (9 men Italy because Zola was red carded). Baggio really brought Italy back from the dead.

    After Italy v Nigeria, Maldini was good (but in my opinion Spain's defender was better) vs. Spain, Maldini was more or less completely pointless or ordinary vs. Bulgaria (a team that was mediocre and still did enough to score 1 goal vs. an overrated Italian defence), and in the Final vs. Brazil, it was Franco Baresi - who had not played any of Italy's KO games - who got the job done on Romario; Baresi was great and offered an iconic performance, Baresi in one game alone did more than Maldini had done after 6 games, and Maldini was merely good but nothing memorable, it was perhaps his best or his second best performance at World Cup 1994; Maldini vs. Brazil (Final) and vs. Spain (Quarter Finals) are his 2 best performances at World Cup 1994, and neither one those performances are anything special, in fact, as I see it, Maldini vs. Spain was outclassed by Spain's star centre back (Maldini was not even the best defender on the pitch, let alone an all time iconic defender), and Maldini vs. Brazil was outclassed by an injured Franco Baresi (Maldini was again not even the best defender on the pitch), etc.

    If you think Romario World Cup 1994 is overrated... you should really take a good look at Paolo Maldini World Cup 1994, one of the most overrated performances ever.
     
  2. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    Juventus FC
    They didn't completely neutralized Romario. Check this video: .
     
  3. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    I need timestamps of actions that are impressive or at least of actions that you deem to be impressive
     
  4. Vegan10

    Vegan10 Member+

    Aug 4, 2011
    Copa America 1991 pitches were nasty, some of the worst I’ve seen. It rained a lot in Chile during that competition and the ball used to stop at times in the muddy pitch. I can’t imagine today a tournament under that condition being played. In 1987 and 1989 it was problematic too but 1991 was the worst I’ve seen.
     
  5. Vegan10

    Vegan10 Member+

    Aug 4, 2011
    One must ask how is it possible that Aguero is a phenom scorer at Manchester City but can’t buy a goal vs a South American side ? In just two chances Gabriel Jesus burned Argentina’s fullbacks and bang Argentina were out. With Aguero we have a player that struck the bar with a header and then never attacked again.

    These players you mention are all overinflated in the grande scheme of things. South American football produces more parity and as a result the real reflection of their capacities are apparently exposed.
     
  6. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    Juventus FC
    Would Recoba fit in a top 20 best techniqueever:
     
  7. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
    Club:
    Juventus FC

    1:02 till 1:07 travels with the ball and passes it to Bebeto
    1:51 nutmeg
    1:59 till 2:05 recovers the ball and has a shot that is deflected though
    2:34 shot
    2:59 till 3:03 nice one two's
    4:37 till 4:42 creates danger following a run and a pass to Bebeto
    7:02 misses a huge chance
    He didn't have a very productive game, but he held to the ball well and was fouled a lot. Couldn't do much against that defense. You're not wrong.
     
  8. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Real Madrid


    It beggars belief how with his "weaker foot" Pele was able to hit those leather balls with such ferocity and accuracy
    Maybe/probably the best footage I've seen of Pele and he didn't lie when he said technically as a goalscorer Messi isn't in his league

    as a complete player that's another discussion to have
    Purely as a goalscorer Pele was a freaking animal and with his skill set clearly able to succeed in any era
     
  9. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    “ clearly able to succeed in any era “
    Same applies to George Best, I’d suggest
     
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Real Madrid
    I think the skill set of someone like Pele,Eusebio and puskas is more likely to succeed than a George best or garrincha

    From the available footage it is clear to see a player like Eusebio was as fast as prime R9 with the ball
    Hit the ball like adriano,batistuta,CR
    Had world class positioning and finishing(could score from corner, long range, header, poacher, individual etc)
    These are attributes that are easy to transport to any era and be successful
    Pele is similar but even superior

    Puskas is less dominant athletically but with a unparalleled football brain for a forward and the best left foot in history
    Could strike the ball with ferocity and accuracy with his left from any angle or distance


    Players as garrincha in particular is the most overhyped in the history of football.
    His dribbling vastly overrated (a great wing dribbler maybe but nowhere near as effective in central areas)
    Never seen him beat multiple players in a tight space

    His shooting is wild and inaccurate and scoring at WC 62 an outlier for his career
    At least if anything George best was a demonstrably superior midfield and final third dribbler

    as has been noted his passing also improved with age (sir matt Busby said as great as George Best was at 22 years old he was not yet a complete player and had room for improvement-this isn't a slight on him but called a natural career progression)

    Garrincha or Gento could either dribble or run at break neck speed to the by line and whip in a standard cross
    They never had the technique to execute trivela pass as this with the weaker foot

    0:42

    The greater your overall skillset the less likely your are to be shackled
    George Best was a legitimately great aerial threat
    One of the all time wing and midfield dribblers
    Was equal footed( or at least wasn't overly reliant on one foot)
    Was a good/world class short passer

    Was ill disciplined too and not sure there are many managers today as Sir matt Busby or SAF who would give him the loving arm,indulge some of his wild antics and give him preferential treatment
     
  11. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    #261 TitoTata, Jul 9, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2019
    Fair comments

    Well I’ve mentioned it a while ago and got ridiculed for it but I guess I’m the only one in here lucky enough to have seen both Eusebio and George Best in the flesh !!

    I saw Eusebio once at Bolton FC when he played in a testimonial and I saw George a few times when United played the away games at Burnley ..
    One of the best players I ever saw was the grossly underrated Peter Osgood ... I saw him a few times at Burnley and once at Bury FC ..

    Yes I am THAT old ... sadly I don’t remember an awful lot about the games as I was only young .

    I do vividly recall Peter Osgood practicing before the game at Bury and he was shooting from about 30 yards out and the shots were just incredible
     
  12. THDrysy

    THDrysy New Member

    Partizan Beograd
    Jun 17, 2019
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    Serbia
    Norway's do or die match where he was one of the best players on the pitch or either be the best player on the pitch.
    Anyone don't honestly believe on this has the chance to rewatch the game, the extent of the team suffering in this match was too high (bagliuca, baggio, baresi), but he and Costacurta in particuler did a lot of discipline and composure, to get it all together and put it in a backpack.
    Maldini was brilliant against Mexico too, one of the most enjoyable performance to watch, put a masterclass shift highly active on midfield and look defensively secure, a fit and in-form Luis Garcia was marked with his badge.
     
  13. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Real Madrid


    "Technique is not being able to juggle a ball 1,000 times. Anyone can do that by practising. Then you can work in the circus. Technique is passing the ball with one touch, with the right speed, at the right foot of your team mate."
    Johan Cruyff
     
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  14. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Real Madrid
    13 years to the day

    Headbutt technique 11/10
     
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  15. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    Juventus FC
    Dragan Stojkovic belongs in a top 10 best technique maybe. For sure the best technique of any player from the Balkans and East: .
     
  16. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
  17. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    Hagi was a better shooter and passer, but Stojkovic had a better touch on the ball. Was very fluid in his dribbling.
     
  18. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    #268 carlito86, Jul 11, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2019
    Better shooter yes
    Everything else goes to piksi (from ball control to general play making)
    Just from European cup competitions and J-league stojkovic had around 200 assists


    League Assists for red star belgrade aren't recorded but expect MANY more


    in the greatest technical era ever 1990-1994 era with piksi,savecevic,Hagi, baggio,Bergkamp,Romario,Laudrup,van Basten

    The talent of Zidane, ibrahimovic,iniesta,figo,suarez,Henry etc would be just normal (not otherworldly and exaggerated)

    They would be comparable to Stoichkov cantona,boban as world class technicians
    Nothing more nothing less
     
  19. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    I think you're underastimating Ibra's and Zidane's technique, aswell as Iniesta's.
     
  20. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    #270 carlito86, Jul 11, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2019
    If technique was just ballerina ball control Zidane would rank 100/100

    If technique was finishing, long passing,1 touch passing, through balls,close control dribbling in tight space,ball skills etc
    Then Zidane was behind many in those categories

    He was the most technically gifted player in a weak era 2000-2003
    Bergkamp became old
    R9 and ADP suffered career defining injuries
    Rivaldo declined pretty early
    Ronaldinho was still a kid

    All was left was 1 great challenger Luis Figo who was top 5 in the world in only 2 seasons 99-01

    TH14 who played in the upcoming premiership and was outshined by Zidane on the world wide stage

    IN between 1996-1998 (pre world cup final) Zidane was just a good player in the world (as top 20 player)


    In the early 90s the technical skill set of Zidane was surpassed by all those names I mentioned
    Easily

    Iniesta was demonstrably inferior to Zidane(technically)
    Ibrahimovic could never display his great technique against equal opponents (with rare examples as his 04 goal vs Italy)
     
  21. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    Juventus FC
    Piksi wasn't a better passer then Hagi. A better dribbler and technician yes.
     
  22. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    #272 carlito86, Jul 12, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2019
    If the word genius could be applied aptly to any European technician it would be Dennis Bergkamp.
    Even in his worst period at inter milan he destroyed prime Paolo Maldini in ways prime R9 never could


    3:13 godly technique
    There are ball controls towards the end of this comp that should played and replayed several times over to kids and professionals alike
    A mercurial talent (top 5 technician in the history of football IMO)
     
  23. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    David Ginola and Juan Román Riquelme come to mind for pure ability... Ginola has to be up there as best two footed player as well..
     
  24. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think he was possibly a better short/medium passer, but maybe not long range, compared to Hagi.

    On the other hand maybe I don't think of him as a way better dribbler than Hagi could be at times.

    Interestingly (not talking about technique, but this can also be relevant to being a great passer) I saw in an old FourFourTwo magazine article about red Star Belgrade that Platini is quoted saying "he just thinks too fast" about Stojkovic and it's presented as Platini suggesting Stojkovic was better than himself although I'd be sceptical about what the actual quote and context of it was.

    In the same article it's suggested that according to Red Star/Yugoslav fanatics he was only prevented from surpassing Cruyff/Platini/Puskas by injuries. Maybe hyperbole again a little, but notable to read anyway!
     
  25. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    I still think that the most skilful of all the players I’ve seen over the decades is Zinedine Zidane .. so many fabulously talented players who played and trained with him said he was from another universe..
     

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