Pre-match: USA vs Jamaica -- Gold Cup Semi-Finals Wed 7/1

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  1. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last time we played them as a friendly game with a B team...This time we got a "A" team, so hopefully we'll beat them at home
     
  2. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is what I am seeing too. Can the US lose this game?... Obviously... but we should still be the favorites. That is why a loss would hurt so much. The TnT debacle has us all waiting for the next miserable performance... and it has the MNT playing tight. That is probably Jamaica's best weapon... they seem to be having fun out there. It also doesn't hurt their cause that they embarrassed us on our home soil less than a month ago. Last night I saw a team playing very scared in the 2nd half.... but it was the atrocious passes that made me want to puke. Caracao has a lot more talent than people want to give them credit for... the vast majority of their players came up thru a very good youth program in the Netherlands and they have quite a few players on top-level euro teams. But the US still had the players to kill them... they just laid a dud... especially in the 2nd half. I am not sure that Jamaica is all that better than Curacao... but those boys are playing lose and with confidence. It is time for our boys to step up and play a quality 90 minutes. If they do... then I see a win. Play scared and fail to make passes in the mid-field like a MLS Team and they will be out w/ yet another black eye.
     
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  3. kickin365

    kickin365 Member+

    Mar 4, 2002
    Both of those issues, which I agree with, center around Mr Bradley. This team would be significantly stronger if Adams were healthy and playing there instead of MB. Add Yedlin for Ream, switching Lima to LB and that’s another improvement.

    With personnel available a formation change with more of a focus on central MF domination and less on high flank play for Zardes sitters would be a welcome tactical flex. It would probably result in more than the 3-5 shots on goal we’ve been seeing.
     
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  4. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Although the system basically works, there is a predictability to it that I don't like. And there is a lack of strong central play, as you mention. The spine of any team consists of the GK, the CBs, the central midfielder(s), and the striker(s). Still, keeping the ball out wide significantly reduces scoring opportunities for the opposition. As in all things, balance is key.
     
  5. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The loss of Adams was a big blow to this team... but your moves only make sense with almost any other coach in the world. But we have GB... and Adams would be replacing Lima... and perhaps Lima could then replace Ream. We would still have Bradley as D-Midfield... and as we have seen... it is a total hit/miss prospect. He has played OK in a couple of games... but was atrocious last night against Curacao. Furthermore, I am not at all convinced that Adams at this hybrid RB position might not end up hurting us more due to breakdowns/counter-attacks. IMO, Adams is pound-for-pound, our best player... so having him on the field, even in this stupid position, may still be better.... just gotta hope that GB comes to his senses in the near future and puts him where he belongs. I am not holding my breath.
     
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  6. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We have those kinds of players as good as we have ever had. Berhalter just decided to ignore them in favor of "The System tm" and building around Bradley/Trapp.

    Adams, Morales, Williams, and Canouse are all proven ball-winners. Bedoya led us in tackles at WC2014 and was 2nd in tackles at Copa 2016 if you prefer a more experienced CM leader.
     
  7. kickin365

    kickin365 Member+

    Mar 4, 2002
    We can only hope that Adams kills it in the bundesliga this year making it glaringly obvious even to GGG that he must play there. That or eventually Bradley will break and force GGGs hand.
     
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  8. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Would Adams' winning the Ballon d'Or make this any more obvious?
     
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  9. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    "Yes, he won the Ballon d'Or ... but Wil Trapp was US Soccer Young Male Athlete of the Year. So it's really six of one, half a dozen of the other."
     
  10. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tyler Adams is hurt, and he isn't Pirlo or Gattuso, but he is promising. He'd be here if he wasn't hurt. Bedoya is 32 years old and was never terribly athletic. Hey, I don't have a problem with adding Bedoya, but he's not the missing ingredient. Danny Williams? He didn't play most of the season at Huddersfield. Is he even available? Russell Canouse is a decent MLS player, but not sure he's ready for this level.
     
  11. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/44496/

    Last started a match in December. Injured his knee. Two brief cups of coffee as a late-game sub, once in March and once in April.

    I was a fan of his and thought he deserved more chances under prior coaches. Wish him well.
     
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  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It's going to be a close game. If CONCACAF wants their USA-Mexico badly enough, I'd expect some shenanigans in both semis.
     
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  13. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Can't play together? Gotta blame the manager. They have been together for an f-ing month. What happens in qualifiers when Egg has only a week to prep? Gotta fire this clown.
     
  14. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nepotism. Brother aint firing brother. We're stuck with the egg headed clown.
     
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  15. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #40 TheHoustonHoyaFan, Jul 1, 2019
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    You are correct, we don't have Pirlo so I guess we have no choice, we have to play "The System tm". :rolleyes:

    Of course we have never had Pirlo and neither has any other country not named Italy. How did we ever manage all these decades without "The System tm" which has us looking disorganized, unsure, and which leaves us wide open in the center of the pitch with zero pressure on the ball?

    It is fine to say that you support the choices that GB made as far as style, tactics, and personnel. Let's not pretend that there aren't other choices which could have served us much better.
     
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  16. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lets add the context that when he came back from injury Huddersfield was essentially relegated and so had no incentive to play DWill who was on an expiring contract and not a candidate to go back down with them.
     
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  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Their keeper is way faster than Ream/Bradley/Trapp as well.
     
  18. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Tear phone books together?
     
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  19. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Jamaica has started the same back 4 every match so far. But one of the CBs, Lowe, is suspended against us.

    Looks like Jamaican CB depth is very poor (next up looks to be a 19 year old USL player, can't believe they'd throw him in here), so I think they are going to have to move Hector to CB. Hector is a much better player than Lowe, but it still is breaking up the chemistry that they were obviously trying to build starting the same back 4 every game.

    If Hector does go to CB, my guess (I don't know much about Jamaica, just going by what they've run the past 4 matches), is they will bring Devon Williams into the midfield pairing with Je-Vaughn Watson.

    So, that's a CB pairing that haven't played together (at least not recently) behind two USL midfielders. If Bradley/McKennie/Pulisic can't put a couple in then I don't know...
     
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  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I presumed that we'd "put a couple in" against Curacao too, and look where that got us.

    Berhalter can't get his team to play consistently to save his life. One game we press, the other we sit back. One game he makes a ton of adjustments, against Curacao he makes none.

    We've played a single good half under Gregg Berhalter in 4 competitive games, against Panama B, Trinidad, Guyana, and Curacao.

    It's almost funny how pathetic that is.
     
  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    We have yet to give up a goal in the gold cup after 4 games. The problem isn't the team not playing well together. One gentleman suggested we wait for McKennie to become the next Lothar Matthaus and pretend Adams is not injured and we kill the other team. That is a sarcastic interpretation of his comments but the point is to say we can't "wait" for a team to appear. We have a game in two days.

    doyle says move Pulisic to left wing, pull Arriola off and that will leave a space at the 10 for a mid (he is aiming for Pomykal). The thing is that Pulisic and Arriola make a good tandem. TSS pointed out that Pulisic's ability to make the move that led to the winning goal v. CUW was made possible by Arriola and Ream and Pulisic all working together.
     
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  22. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I didn't literally mean we have no Pirlo. I meant we don't have a player like Pirlo in attack... A player like Gattuso in defense. We're lacking quality. I didn't say we had to use GGG's system. I said it's basically working. Success in any team sport demands some kind of system as well as individual brilliance. It's always a bit of both. I was very skeptical of the hiring of Gregg Berhalter. I'm still skeptical. But he has a plan and it's working so far. So let's just give him a chance and see what happens. I like frameworks, but I never like rigid adherence to a narrow system. Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." I like that the US team is developing a style and a basic framework, but I still want to see skilled players doing extraordinary things.

    OK, did you like me working Emerson into a BigSoccer post?
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  23. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    The US should rightly be favored to win at home. We got some "home cooking" with the very late and very cynical suspension of Lowe. I think we see our best performance of the GC in a 2-0 win.
     
  24. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    OK, so fire Jay, then fire Egg. Get rid of 2 problems. Other than getting his little bro a primo job, Jay makes $800K/year doing what, exactly?
     
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  25. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Gregg Berhalter, basically:

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