Colombia vs Chile Copa America 2019 (JUN 28th)

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by Froboy69, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. SoyDelMustang

    SoyDelMustang Member+

    Dec 24, 2007
    Flushing,Queens
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Agreed. I feel like his body language throughout the game was all wrong. More frustration than motivation.
     
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  2. SoyDelMustang

    SoyDelMustang Member+

    Dec 24, 2007
    Flushing,Queens
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I’d like to add that I think this game could’ve played out a bit different with Lerma in the mix and Duvan from the start.
     
  3. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Huh did you watch the same game? Chile were the much better team on the day we have a better roster and have an overall younger and fresher team and they ran us off the park and completely dictated their will on the game. We went to penalties sure, but lets not kid ourselves that we didn't really cope with a Chile team that has been doing what they did for 8 years, pressing teams and creating a chaotic game that they are comfortable in. I'm not going to say we were horrible by any means, but I will give Chile credit for their game and we showed that we aren't ready to go toe to toe in the high pressure games still.

    I think on paper its clear we have a much better team, but we have work to do and I think this game may help us down the road.
     
  4. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    In terms of Mina, he can do some stuff that is cringe worthy but the guy has some huge balls and part of the reason he's so good is the same reasons he'll do some bone headed shit, he's a showman who enjoys the big stage.
     
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  5. Bomb8

    Bomb8 Member+

    Jun 19, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Mina was good, but Barrios was my favorite. He has good ball control and his body faints were, not only entertaining, but also effective. I wanna see him play somewhere else than Russia.
     
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  6. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I was so confident that Tesillo was going to miss that PK, that I just turned off my TV before he even took it. I already knew we were out.

    I hope Chile wins this tournament now.
     
  7. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Yeah I was watching with my family and everyone was like he's gonna miss. He looked utterly terrified. I feel really bad for him, he had a very good tournament and he's probably dreamed of getting this extended chance to cement himself with the NT for a while and he was put in that really high stress situation. Who knows what happens with who wants to take penalties but I'm really surprised that Duvan who's taken them for Atalanta didn't take it.
     
  8. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Does Luis Diaz take penalties at Junior tu papá?
     
  9. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Good comments overall. Have to add that Chile outplayed us. We didn't even deserve to be in PKs. BUT.... when is Ospina going to ever make the difference in these type of moments...I mean he was on the wrong side of every PK!? Also, both Duvan and Cardona were completely ineffective as subs. I'm not one for Diva type of attitude but I can't blame either with little minutes and no support. I mean what more does Duvan have to do to claim the #9 spot?
     
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  10. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    And to top it off, Chile gets Peru in the semi!

    Amazing.
     
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  11. futbol in Miami

    Colombia
    Sep 11, 2011
    Miami
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Colombia fully deserved that loss. Even if they had advanced that would’ve left a nasty taste in my mouth. This result does not surprise me one bit. Part of the problem is cultural (shit mentality) but also part of it are the remnants left behind during the Pekerman era. Cheers to Chile they deserved to pass and were the better team. They showed all game they wanted it more and put forth more effort and confidence as a collective.


    Some things that stood out in this Copa America for Colombia:


    -I absolutely hate Yerry Mina and hope he doesn’t come back until he starts behaving more professionally and approach the game with more seriousness. Take a cue from your buddy Davison Sanchez.


    -Cuadrado Ive been on the fence for some time. But now I’m convinced he’s better coming from the bench. He can still add value from there when we need that shot in the arm. He’s not starter worthy anymore. Maybe come in to replace an injury or play last 15 minutes of the match.


    -Falcao, my man, youre done. Thank you for all that you’ve done but it’s time to step down and allow other forwards to start.


    -Medina again proved why he has no business playing on a NT level. That experiment failed miserably last World Cup cycle with Pekerman, and it failed now. Why he came back out of nowhere and suddenly start is beyond comprehension. He’s the biggest red flag on the team.


    -I don’t know who dafuq is Tesillo but I’ve never heard of the guy until recently when he became our LB starter, watched his mediocre play and for some reason he was chosen to take a penalty kick. The most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. Please go away.


    All in all at least Quieroz got a really good look at the group of players he’s working with. He hasn’t been on the job for too long so this Copa America was insightful Im sure. Like i said earlier, there are some remnants from the Pekerman era that need to be eradicated. By that I mean the weak and shit mentality of these players when things get physical(they lose focus. Easily rattled). Its time to build around Zapata, James, Barrios, Davinson Sanchez as our spine. Quieroz has his work cut out for him.


    Sorry for the long post. Not sure if my fellow Colombians agree with me. My two cents.
     
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  12. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Tesillo been on the NT for like 4 years... if not longer..... he was also a huge part of Santa Fe and a top player in Mexico.....

    Do you know Yepes retired?

    Also if you think Mina is shit but like Davison when Davison played like utter shit yesterday.... maybe you don't know Mina is the taller of the two black dudes.
     
  13. futbol in Miami

    Colombia
    Sep 11, 2011
    Miami
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cant remember Tesillo in anything except in this Copa America. I’m also not judging Sanchez on just yesterday’s match and it also helps he’s not a clown like Mina. That was awful and embarrassing the way he acted after scoring his penalty.
     
  14. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Good points and well written.

    I like what I saw from Mina this tournament - the shin guard thing was meh, but if we won, it would have been a non issue. Hope he can have a healthy club season and play 35 games this season.

    Cuadrado had to work overtime yesterday bc of Medina. I wrote a long post about cuadrado not too long ago. Not sure if you saw it. He has a complicated role and I think people will not truly appreciate him until he’s out of the NT picture altogether. He’s one of the key drivers to what makes this generation more attack minded than what was seen between 98-2010.

    Falcao - shouldn’t have started yesterday; I thought that was the point of starting him against Paraguay. Duvan was well rested and could have brought on a more physical level of play against Chile from opening whistle. I hope CQ can start making Duvan a 80+ minute guy

    Medina - I wanted this guy to really redeem himself and I felt he was just flat out timid this tournament. I don’t know if Arias was lacking fitness or what but Medina’s struggles caused Cuadrado to play RM and RB yesterday. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be any legit options depth wise after Arias.

    Tesillo. I actually liked him in LB this tournament - he got a number of crosses into the box which was a huge upgrade from guys like Borja/Deiver. Is he better than Fabra? Hard to say now, but I think he’s better than Mojica who struggled immensely in Russia

    What did you think of Uribe this tournament? I was a bit bummed we only saw Cuéllar once and not more out of Lerma, but there can only be so many subs right?
     
  15. futbol in Miami

    Colombia
    Sep 11, 2011
    Miami
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even if Colombia had won, Minas behavior should not be tolerated. I hope Quieroz takes care of that.

    Uribe and Cuellar get the job done in our midfield but I hope we can set out to find someone better.
     
  16. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I was a bit confused as to what Mina did, but I didn’t mind it now that I thought about it today.

    What players do you suggest we try out in CM role in future friendlies?
     
  17. lvbeto

    lvbeto Member

    Jul 27, 2007
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    That shin guard thing wasn't that big a deal but the constant faking injuries to try and draw a card? Man, that's embarrassing to watch. A red card would do wonders to 'mature' him quickly. Mina needs to stop that crap, man up big fella.
     
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  18. futbol in Miami

    Colombia
    Sep 11, 2011
    Miami
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He over did it with the celebration. That stupid shimmy dance and gloating. Then he took forever to get back. He was so bad the ref had to wave him off a couple of times before he finally made it back with his teammates and if I’m not mistaken, he looked like he taunted the next Chilean penalty taker who was in position waiting. Disgusting behavior. I don’t understand how anyone would think it’s not a big deal. We should hold ourselves and the players that represent us to a higher standard. Not this douchebaggery.

    As for the other players in the middle, I can’t say for sure at the top of my head. But my hope is Quieroz can work some magic and find the right players for his system. Who knows who or what hell discover. I’m still optimistic moving forward.
     
  19. futbol in Miami

    Colombia
    Sep 11, 2011
    Miami
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was the other thing that pissed me off. If anything this probably gives us an idea as to why he was quickly dropped from barcelona. At Everton it remains to be seen what happens next season but i hope he lets go of this clown attitude.
     
  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I watched the game.
    It was evenly matched in the sense that we did exactly what Queiroz wanted to do which was ugly but according to his game plan and his style he has shown for years with other teams.

    They did look better than we did at times.
    Hence I said they looked better and I will give credit to Rueda and his tactics.
     
  21. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I'd say more, how Rueda has adapted to Chile's particular style.

    Chile under Rueda hasn't changed much than how Chile was playing before him, under the management with the other coaches we had before him.

    At the begining he also tried to impose a few of the things he always does in his teams, such as using 2 tall center backs (he tried playing Maripan together with Enzo Roco, whom actually is even taller than Maripan). He also moved Medel from the defensive back, playing him as a defensive midfield, (position he has played a lot, in some of the european clubs where he has played before), with horrible or very bad results for Chile in friendlies, and it was Medel whom convinced him that he was lots more efficient playing at the back, as how Chile is currently playing. Had Rueda remained being stubborn with his thoughts, we probably would've been eliminated by now not even making it past the group stage.
     
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  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    So Rueda just let the players take the lead roles and had nothing to do with the game planning and tactical setup.

    Sure, lets go with that.:rolleyes::ROFLMAO:
     
  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Good coaches will always have empathy towards the knowledge the players they manage may have. Specially if those players have been around the NT, for ages before the new coaches arrival.

    And fortunately, Rueda has it in him.

    When Rueda tried to impose Medel as defensive mid, wasn't something new for our team, as Borghi during his time as coach of our NT, tried to do the same thing (remember at 2014 qualifiers, when Colombia beat Chile in Chile 1-3). Everyone told Borghi he was not doing it right (and not only with Medel, as Borghi also tried to impose Vidal as Center back as well), but as he was stubborn as a mule, he didn't change anything, and in time after one bad result came after other bad results, it meant him his place on charge of the team and was replaced by Sampaoli.
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    Maybe what you see as an issue or something that makes you laugh, is preciselly the reason why your team (Colombia) hasn't made it further than other teams which have (think about it, a little, before replying).....
     
  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Rueda has to be given more credit than what you are giving him. What he experimented with initially in friendlies has no real bearing on what he did Friday and how much work he put into it. You depicted it as the Players telling him what to do which I found very hilarious.

    He has had more time to experiment and find a true pulse to his team than what the Colombian manager Queiroz has had to deal with and his group of players so we really have to see how things develop before you talk about laughing and applications to tactics.
     
  25. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Chile vs Argentina round 3?
     
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