NY Times: "Toxic Culture" in US Soccer

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  1. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
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    United States
    Yikes.
     
  2. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
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  3. MPNumber9

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    I wouldn't say lack of shareholder oversight is an "inherent problem" with non-profits anymore than it is a panacea for private organizations, which can also be terribly managed. And of course, either can be poorly managed and still effective / profitable.

    I don't see what this article offers aside from a reading of the glassdoor quotes, which I did myself. It doesn't bring us any new information anyone who read the site didn't already have.
     
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  4. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Any substantive perspective on the article?

    Btw, if Garber were to quit MLS and become USSF chief (which he never ever would), I think that would be great. He’s a ruthless hard-nosed advocate for his employer and we could use that at the USSF. Too bad his current day job has some inherent conflicts with the USSF.
     
  5. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah oftentimes shareholder oversight leads to horribly unfair actions as well....putting profits above people/the environment/morality/etc....rarely turns out well for anyone other than those that stand to benefit economically.
     
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  6. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
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  7. QuakeAttack

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    #82 QuakeAttack, Jun 26, 2019
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    Actually, you answered the answered question. USSF doesn't focus on youth development and improving the experience for our youth and giving them the best opportunity to develop. The focus is on the business side.

    For almost twenty years, we have been talking on BS about how to improve our youth programs to address challenges with pay-to-play, travel, and confusement/alignment across multiple youth organizations. Sure, there have been incremental attempts (Development Academies), but broader attempts to align youth and put into a common program has not happened.

    Why? After seeing it first hand a coach and board member (both competitive and recreational), there are too many egos involved and not enough comprise. Sadly, if look a the programs, they are often very similar. USSF just hasn't been able to tackle or has been unwilling to tackle the challenges - or both.

    Don't get me wrong. Business side is very important, but it should be less a priority at the moment.
     
  8. Eighteen Alpha

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    Don’t worry, Grant. I’m sure you’ll get the next scoop.
     
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  9. yurch10

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    Feb 13, 2004
    He was real in the weeds on this, just beat out by the NYT.

    Or he was having dinner with the Fed, taking copious notes about how Ream, Trapp, MB, and Omar are key veterans that will allow us to soar to new heights!
     
  10. schrutebuck

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    Jul 26, 2007
    Didn't Grant Wahl's mother pass away this week?
     
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  11. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
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    Yes, unfortunately. It must be really tough to be away at a World Cup at this time. I'd give the guy a break...
     
  12. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    True
     
  13. Quaker

    Quaker Member+

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    Apr 19, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That letter from Carlos Cordeiro states that there will be another way to air grievances anonymously and privately, but until then employees can utilize the website where feedback is monitored by the legal department. In other words, stay off Glassdoor and keep your opinions out of public view!

    Not sure this is going to enhance trust in leadership...
     
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  14. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Yeah, I thought Earnie Stewart was going to address a lot of this and give us routine updates. Afterall that experience in the Dutch setting was going to prove invaluable. /sigh

    Funny, haven’t heard a word about/ from him...
     
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  15. Editor In Chimp

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    Sep 7, 2008
    Yeah, that's my read on it; it sort of gives a lot of those complaints extra validity because that's about the most idiotic and tone-deaf response you could come up with.
     
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  16. FirstStar

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    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
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    In case you haven’t figured this out, nothing that your employer tells you is anonymous is actually anonymous. Ever. I speak as management here- I’ve seen it far too often.
     
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  17. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC

    Shhhhh.
     
  18. MarioKempes

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    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
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    Real Madrid
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    United States
    You say defecto, I say defacto, let's call the whole thing off (Couva).
     
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  19. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    Narrator: It didn't.
     
  20. russ

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    It's all part of the same pattern.You must believe that the MLS-SUM-USSF cartel ,featuring the pay to play youth travel pipeline,is the only thing keeping the sport alive in this country -or you are guilty of thoughtcrime.
     
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  21. Jazzy Altidore

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    The fact that shareholder oversight doesn’t always result in good corporate behavior doesn’t mean that nonprofits suffer from a lack of it. That’s like arguing that the police don’t matter because some murderers still get away with it.
     
  22. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    A remake, or perhaps an original TV series?

    [​IMG]

    "The term “gaslighting” comes from the movie, and so its definition is rather specific: when a person lies for their own gain to another person so repeatedly and with so much confidence that the victim begins to doubt her own sanity. And, as the film puts it, a bit of Stockholm Syndrome develops as well: The victim, now uncertain that she can perceive reality correctly, becomes dependent on the gaslighter, more attached to him than ever."
     
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  23. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Still waiting for more defense. What we have so far is:
    • iad22201 turning the clock back to the JK days in an equivalency test
    • CMeszt effectively saying that
      • USSF has done a pretty good job commercially
      • too many of us think that USSF cares about USMNT performance
      • many low-level sports jobs are shitty and these comments are no different from other companies.
      • He did NOT come out and say that means there's nothing to see here
    • robbiefowlah and SJTillIDie did say there's nothing to see here as these reviews are the same for every company
     
  24. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, it's framed as serving employee interests better, when it actually does for management. Not only would they avoid public heat to adversely impact their consumer and employee base this way, but they could smoke any moles out of their holes too. Lure them in to gripe under the guise of anonymity and consideration, when the submissions would be to their website and retribution for dissent happens all the time in business. They'd find an excuse to terminate or mess with them regardless of their stated policy. The insider stories display the higher-ups are especially thin-skinned so it's inevitable.

    With all the public insistence the CEO hire must come from the outside, I'm confident it will now, in name, but they'll be a puppet, and Berhalter will yield the power behind the scenes. It will go down like the president changeover and institution of the GM position to pacify the masses. Haha, charade you are! #USSeparation
     
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  25. thedukeofsoccer

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    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
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    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    It's gaslighting from the perspective of those attempting to execute the strategy. Doesn't mean it's effective on their subject(s). And in this case for it to work they just needed enough people to question their instincts on the dysfunction w/in USS and continue to look to them as some kind of authority on these matters.
     

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