2019 WWC Referee Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by lil_one, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well this French PK retake ends that line of thought.
     
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  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This incident occurred at 72:07. The penalty was converted at 78:53.

    Almost 7 minutes to get this sorted out. But no, VAR isn’t changing the game.
     
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  3. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Seeing the one replay, it looks like it's less than an inch off the goal line, looked like more because it was raised.
     
  4. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Remember that the first minute (or so) was also taken up by dealing with the player's injury.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So? I’m not suggesting all 7 mins was because of the new rule and VAR. Penalties take about a minute typically. You find this break in the action acceptable in order to get the call “right?”
     
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  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be wrong then. The plane counts. Not just the ground. But I suspect they determined she was forward early.
     
  7. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    I agree with your thoughts - there was nothing at all fun to watch about any of it. The mandatory yellow seems ridiculous - retaking the penalty is MORE than enough punishment for the situation. I get that maybe we're making progress toward reducing keepers taking advantage, but now you almost have to be flat-footed on a penalty to avoid the card and retake. It just feels like keepers are being super-targeted by VAR on these calls.
     
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  8. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Horrible. This is an awful turn for the sport. No one I'm watching with understands or wants this.
     
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  9. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to mention the retaken penalty may result in Nigeria going home rather than advancing. That's pretty rough for something so marginal.
     
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  10. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    So, watching the video tweeted by Fox Sports of the penalty take, the view at 52 seconds in or so seems to show encroachment by France...



    So, if they are going to be picky about the goal keeper, shouldn't they also be picky about encroachment?
     
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  11. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Since the stutter step on the approach is allowed, the ‘keeper is at a decided disadvantage. On a stutter, it is nearly impossible to stay on the line. Every kicker will do the stutter step, forcing the ‘keeper off the line. And if they make it good, and if it’s saved also good.
     
  12. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No stutter step on this one.
     
  13. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    No -- not at all. Just noting that the delay was exacerbated by the injury... but it's still FAR too much delay.

    I agree -- the side view they showed (briefly) showed the back of her raised heel about an inch (if that) in front of the plane of the line... and because it was raised it looked more like 2+".

    I understand the hard line (though I question why it didn't apply the other day), but question how much we'll be able to see this in real world non-VAR situations.
     
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  14. SCV-Ref

    SCV-Ref Member

    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    "Definitely off her line"? I don't think so. Not definitely.
    From what I saw..."maybe" is a better description. That back of the foot looks very close to the edge of the line.
    I alluded to this the other day. Where do you draw the line? (Excuse the pun.)
    Firstly, once again, we are using a video frame at 1/25th of a second. The foot travelling towards a ball travels more than 8" in that time. Also as noted before, GLT is no good in these situations either. And to top it off, there is a margin of error in the whole equation.
    Statistically, it is now easier to be awarded a penalty and easier to score the penalty. Double whammy. I think @MassachusettsRef summed it up best. "The sport is being ruined"
     
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  15. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Here's a screenshot from the one replay shown -- trying to find the goal line camera angle they showed for about 3s.

    GK encroach NGAvFRA.png
     
  16. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Oh my god - are we going to have a shootout with multiple VAR reviews about goalkeepers' heels? Perhaps in the final? Imagine 4 VAR stoppages during a 10-shot shootout, or 6 stoppages in a 16-shot shootout which otherwise would have been the most dramatic in the history of the game? The stage is set for massive embarrassment for the sport.
     
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  17. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Did FIFA say anything about specifically trying to enforce PK lines before the tournament?
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It already was happening at the U20s.
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do you mean?

    It’s the new rules combined with VAR applying to penalties. It was done at the U20s. This is just reality right now until the law changes again or the VAR protocols get amended.

    It’s nothing specific for this tournament. It’s a permanent design change.
     
  20. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im just waiting for this new standard to be applied in the UCL and major European leagues. Oh its gonna be fun.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suspect the only way out of this now is for UEFA to say, “nope, no way we are letting VARs make this call” and then having the general soccer-watching public get used to that standard at the UCL level and EURO 2020.

    Then, maybe, FIFA can quietly backtrack before the 2021 tournaments.
     
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  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No sir. I demand seeing keepers suspended for yellow card accumulation for their sickening cheating! It's what football wants!
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Imagine if the EPL applies this, given their no OFR stance?

    I think there’s a good chance UEFA tells FIFA it’s not doing this. That then gives leagues some wiggle room—particularly because they can assert they already like how things are working and don’t want to change. But if not...
     
  24. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    That was not a straight run up,
     
  25. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I think the question is more how strict the law is being called. Before, Law 14 was very specific. It required both feet on the line at the time of the kick. Now arguably the Law is looser, allowing one foot to be off the line.

    The big change is how the Law is being called. Before everyone gave GKs some leeway, with a wink wink nod nod to a good step. So 2 feet on in theory but a general practice to give GKs a step. Now you are being given no leeway at all. Any infraction is enough to cause the retake. That’s the rub.
     
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