The paucity of English opportunity thread

Discussion in 'England' started by wellno, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. JRSG

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    I think the Rangers support will chew Ojo up pretty quickly. Can't see it working well.
     
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  2. Garibaldi11

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    Derby letting Luke Thomas go to Barnsley for 1.2m does seem a bit odd.

     
  3. hussar

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    It does, though I don't understand why do Derby let him go so easily, looked like a good prospect last season.
     
  4. Garibaldi11

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    Don't think they can make a definitive decision on a player like him who does have some decent talent to kick on. Can only be a financial decision because they are walking a tight rope there.
     
  5. Garibaldi11

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  6. Garibaldi11

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  8. Marcho Gamgee

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  9. Marcho Gamgee

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    Like I’ve said before, Sam Wallace is one of the few journalists that cares or is knowledgeable about the England Youth Development teams.

    England's youth development has slumped since tournament success of 2017
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    England won the Toulon tournament in 2018 but finished ninth this year

    • Sam Wallace
    13 JUNE 2019 • 8:00 AM


    The Toulon tournament went as badly for England this month as the recent run of junior men’s competitions have for the Football Association: three defeats in the group games, and if you thought the Nations League went on too long this was even worse. The team then had a four-day wait to play a ninth-place play-off.

    No overnight flight home on Friday after the final group defeat to Chile for Paul Simpson’s men. No quiet shuffle through Luton airport’s VIP fast-track in the early hours. The Toulon tournament requires every team to take part in a post-knockout classification stage which in England’s case was a one-off game against Guatemala for the honour of ninth place. They secured that with a 4-0 win on Tuesday and were finally free to go home before the semi-finals.

    England Under-20s teams have won the Toulon tournament for the previous three years under three different managers – Gareth Southgate, Neil Dewsnip and Aidy Boothroyd – so the FA can at least point to a vintage in that regard. This year they were up against older squad profiles, including Japan’s prospective Olympic team although coming last in a group including Portugal and Chile was not what they would have had in mind. The Uefa Pro License group studying with the English FA were there to observe the tournament as part of their coursework, a cohort that includes Frank Lampard, and no doubt there was much to analyse.

    Last chance glory saloon for the men: the England Under-21s begin their European championships campaign against France in Cesena in northern Italy on Tuesday, a short, tough tournament in which the nation’s record of winning is frankly dreadful. An England Under-21s team have not won any version of it since 1984, although this time, with the focus on the women’s team in the World Cup in France and rather less scrutiny perhaps it might be different.

    Certainly Boothroyd’s Under-21s squad does have some excellent Premier League talent, including Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Phil Foden, James Maddison and Dominic Calvert-Lewin who are among those extending their season until potentially June 30. For the England male junior teams it has been a very poor year indeed in tournament football after the golden summer of 2017 when the FA’s junior sides brought home two world titles (Under-17s, Under-20s) and one European championships (Under-19s).

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    That was a high benchmark and the FA has slumped quite spectacularly off its stool. Denied by the clubs a whole range of players for last summer’s Under-19 European championships – which is also a qualifying tournament for the Under-20s World Cup - the team struggled and as a result will now not defend their Under-20s title in Poland in October. For the Under-17s competing at their Euros in Ireland in May the situation became farcical when one selected player was ineligible to feature.

    The FA had originally hoped the Fifa-paperwork for 16-year-old Arsenal midfielder Yunus Musah would come through in time for him to represent England but it turned out that it arrived only on the day that they travelled home. He would have been eligible for the knockout stages if only his team had made it that far. In an era when many young players have options to represent different nations, much of the FA’s talent identification work goes into securing those they want to represent England. In this case, they left it too late.

    Tournament success is not the ultimate indicator of successful development, although it is certainly one that is hard to ignore. It has been a better year for the Under-18s who are not an age group who have sanctioned Uefa tournaments. The Under-17s beat Brazil in October but struggled to assemble the same team again come May.

    Why has it happened? There have been some major changes at the FA. The talent identification department, based at St George’s Park underwent a restructure in October 2017 and its then head, Richard Allen, left at that time. Earlier that year also saw the departure of the FA’s first head of people and team development, Jonny Zneimer, who had been seconded from the agency Lane4 which worked closely with the FA for the previous two years under technical director Dan Ashworth.

    Those changes to staff at St George’s Park had begun almost as soon as that successful summer and autumn of 2017 was over and the improvement in tournament performance culminated with fourth place for the men’s senior team at the World Cup in Russia.

    Since then Ashworth has left to go to Brighton and Hove Albion and has been replaced by Les Reed. It looks likely the Under-17s 2017 World Cup-winning coach Steve Cooper will also be on his way soon, to Swansea City. Both of them represent success stories for the FA’s development teams, proving that successful administrators and coaches in youth development can move on to careers in senior football. It also asks questions about what comes next.

    It comes at a time when there has never been more competition to plan the success of national teams years in advance, especially given the huge player resources of major European nations like France, Spain and Germany. For instance, the Liverpool Under-18s captain Paul Glatzel, Merseyside-born to German parents, began by representing England at junior level but has since transitioned to Germany having been keenly pursued by their scouts. Identified early by the FA as one with great potential, these are the kind of players who have to be persuaded and developed.

    It may yet be the case that the women’s team at France 2019 deliver the FA the senior tournament success that it has sought in recent years. The Under-21s final in Udine falls one week earlier than the women’s final in Lyon on July 7 and an England team in one or both would represent a good end to the season for the FA, which finds itself a long way from those happier times in 2017.


     
  10. Garibaldi11

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  11. Marcho Gamgee

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    Found this interview with Marcus Edwards really I interesting for those interested. Really hope he gets a good move this Summer one way another if that means a loan or permanent move. Such a talent and if he gets a Club that really believes in him, it could make all the difference.

     
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  12. wellno

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  13. Garibaldi11

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    One of the interesting things about next season is what Arsenal do with Willock, Nketiah, Nelson, Smith-Rowe, Saka, Amaechi. Not sure all can be kept happy in the attacking areas. Not even talking about the one's below this group.

     
  14. Marcho Gamgee

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    Always find these type of lists fascinating so just thought I’d post it here.

    Below are the rankings of players born in 1999 or later who have made it on to L’Equipe’s list.

    L'Equipe's top 50 list of Under-20 players


    • 1. Matthijs De Ligt (Ajax)
    • 2. Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund)
    • 3. Kai Havertz (Bayer Leverkusen)
    • 4. Joao Felix (Benfica)
    • 5. Gianluigi Donnarumma (AC Milan)
    • 6. Nicolo Zaniolo (Roma)
    • 7. Moise Kean (Juventus)
    • 8. Vinicius Junior (Real Madrid)
    • 9. Declan Rice (West Ham)
    • 10. Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
    • 11. Matteo Guendouzi (Arsenal)
    • 12. Alban Lafont (Fiorentina)
    • 13. Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea)
    • 14. Dan-Axel Zagadou (Borussia Dortmund)
    • 15. Ryan Sessegnon (Fulham)
    • 16. Evan N’dicka (Eintracht Frankfurt)
    • 17. Justin Kluivert (Roma)
    • 18. Andreas Skov Olsen (FC Nordsjaelland)
    • 19. Phil Foden (Manchester City)
    • 20. Kik Pierie (Heerenveen)
    • 21. Reiss Nelson (Arsenal)
    • 22. Pedro Porro (Girona)
    • 23. Rafael Leao (Lille)
    • 24. Ozan Kabak (Stuttgart)
    • 25. Samuel Chukwueze (Villarreal)
    • 26. Boubacar Kamara (Marseille)
    • 27. William Saliba (Saint-Etienne)
    • 28. Rodrygo (Santos)
    • 29. Yan Valery (Southampton)
    • 30. Mason Mount (Chelsea)
    • 31. Gedson Fernandes (Benfica)
    • 32. Jonathan David (Gent)
    • 33. Junior Traore (Empoli)
    • 34. Diogo Dalot (Manchester United)
    • 35. Ezequiel Barco (Atlanta United)
    • 36. Sandro Tonali (Brescia)
    • 37. Moussa Diaby (Bayer Leverkusen)
    • 38. Brahim Diaz (Real Madrid)
    • 39. Ferran Torres (Valencia)
    • 40. Dwight McNeil (Burnley)
    • 41. Alexander Isak (Borussia Dortmund)
    • 42. Malang Sarr (Nice)
    • 43. Fran Beltran (Celta Vigo)
    • 44. Cucho Hernandez (Huesca)
    • 45. Arne Maier (Hertha Berlin)
    • 46. Hannes Wolf (Salzburg)
    • 47. Giorgi Chakvetadze (Gent)
    • 48. Yari Verschaeren (Anderlecht)
    • 49. Donyell Malen (PSV)
    • 50. Erling Braut Haland (Salzburg)
     
  15. roverman

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    Max Arrans should be on the list
     
  16. Marcho Gamgee

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    Could probably argue for Reece James too
     
  17. roverman

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    Thats the trouble so many outstanding young right backs coming through. Surely southgate could push wan bisakka to left back. Problem solved. Have arrans or james as back up
     
  18. TopBanana10

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    I think that Smith Rowe and Nelson will be in and around the first team. Most likely used initially in Europa League/Cup games.
     
  19. TopBanana10

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    Focusing so much on England, there are quite a few players that I hadn't heard of. A very interesting if subjective list.
     
  20. Marcho Gamgee

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    Football talent Scout just did a list for 2001 age group:

    1. Mohammed Ihattaren

    2. Ryan Gravenberch

    3. Mason Greenwood

    4. Rodrygo

    5. Reinier

    6. Lucien Agoume

    7. Naci Unuvar

    8. Thiago Almada

    9. Daishawn Redan

    10. Takefusa Kubo

    11. Kang-in Lee

    12. Fábio Silva

    13. Pietro Pellegri

    14. Roberto Navarro

    15. Victor Mollejo

    16. Jérémy Doku

    17. Adil Aouchiche

    18. Oliver Batista Meier

    19. Adam Hlozek

    20. João Pedro

    21. Willem Geubbels

    22. Yari Verschaeren

    23. German Valera

    24. Brian Brobbey

    25. Ilaix Moriba

    26. Benoît Badiashile

    27. James Garner

    28. Ander Barrenetxea

    29. Pedro De La Vega

    30. Lorenzo Colombo

    31. Han-Noah Massengo

    32. Sepp van den Berg

    33. Ronaldo Camara

    34. Sergio Camello

    35. Antonio Marin

    36. Myron Boadu

    37. Eddie Salcedo

    38. Karim Adeyemi

    39. Ömer Faruk Beyaz

    40. Rayan Aït Nouri

    41. Luan Candido

    42. Moussa Ndiaye

    43. Bryan Gil

    44. Filip Marchwiński

    45. Emiliano Gomez

    46. Simon Sohm

    47. Filip Stevanovic

    48. Gabriel Veron

    49. Kenneth Taylor

    50. Khvicha Kvaratskhelia

    He only finds space for 2 English players which I find a bit harsh but no real surprise by the amount of Dutch talent.
     
  21. ADM99

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    Apr 28, 2019
    I can think of quite a few glaring omissions from that list
     
  22. Marcho Gamgee

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    English or just in general? I’m kind of surprised that Curtis Jones didn’t make it. Also players like Tommy Doyle and Saka.
     
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  23. ADM99

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    Apr 28, 2019
    In general. Would've had those three in for sure.

    Outside of England, Sebastiano Esposito should be around the top 10 and Rayan Cherki likewise. I can only assume he just forgot about those two because to miss them out entirely is bizzare. Probably others you could think of too.
     
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  24. Marcho Gamgee

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    #1074 Marcho Gamgee, Jun 15, 2019
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    Some odd names on here to for the Golden Boy nominees:



    After the year he’s had, was surprised to see Oakley-Boothe on the list tbh,
     
  25. TopBanana10

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    Sep 8, 2018
    Sebastiano Esposito is an 02 though mate (I think.)
     

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