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Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by McSkillz, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did not know that :O
    That makes that Canadian broadcaster even more of a hypocrite.
    "We Canadians would never celebrate hard! Only risk causing a brain-injury, but nothing *bad*!"

    No Canadian soccer fan *ever* gets to lecture us on this.
     
  2. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    So has personalities like:
    Ted Bundy
    John Wayne Gacy
    Richard Ramirez
    Ed Gein
    Aileen Wuornos
    Robert Lee Yates, Jr
    Nannie Doss
    Charles Manson
    Donald Trump
    and many many other rather upsetting personalities throughout history.

    Sounding rational does not mean you are rational or even sane by any normal measure.
     
  3. rustysurf83

    rustysurf83 Member

    Dec 30, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Ladies are genius because...everyone was talking about the WWC today. It was all over TV, radio, social media, etc. A lot of people that didn’t even know the WWC was happening are now paying attention.
     
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  4. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    The commenter was *on the field* when Tancredi stomped Lloyd's head. But, she's "disgusted" by the celebrations. Canadians would never do that! (or cheer when their opponent is injured). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl3cbrri45E
     
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  5. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    That's not cool. I'm hugely not a fan of Hope. But, that's not cool.
     
  6. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe so. THough I don't think that level of output is going to remain the same.
     
  7. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe, but I expect there was blood in the water by that point and there was probably the thought that anyone on the U.S. team could score, so why not chase it down? Probably an easier run while being up in a score than down. Just my opinion.
     
  8. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    As a neutral fan, I thought the excessive celebrations after 6-0 was in poor taste (not a disgrace).

    But this is good for the women game, IMHO. This is already a record WWC in terms of worldwide coverage, tickets sales, etc. US team becoming a villain (and they did become a villain for many neutral fans) adds to this WC story. Still, think France can win it all, but I will cheer anyone that play against the US from this point on. I don't think neutral fans in the stand will boo the US team, but they will support whoever play against the US.
     
  9. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Generalizing is idiotic.

    Projecting the actions of a few onto a country is retarded, doesnt matter from where you're from
     
  10. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say this post is a great example of sexism.

    The UWNT to Women's soccer isn't the USMNT to Men's soccer.

    Belgium is the current #1 in Men's soccer. And they would get a ton of grief pouring 13 on some 'no-name' team and acting like that. And a ton of people would be defending it. Trying to claim sexism is simply sad.
     
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  11. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #86 Chastaen, Jun 12, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
    But it's kinda silly to ride a high horse when youre trying to stay above the manure yourself. We've had struggles as well...that we shouldn't feel comfortable trying to act like we are outraged. It isn't like Leroux was all that long ago.

    Edit: Crud, not directing the "you" at you Robert. But the Announcer. Apologies.
     
  12. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every single star on the Belgium team has multi-million dollar contracts with Champion's league clubs and get to play in prominent games multiple times every single season.
    The very biggest stars in Women's soccer basically get the WWC and the Olympics to show their stuff on a big stage. Twice every 4 years.
    Alex Morgan is on a $56,000 contract with her club team.

    You're right, there is no comparison.
     
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  13. Plxix

    Plxix BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 13, 2006
    Why are people bringing Canada into this? No one on this planet gives a crap about Canada. No one.
     
  14. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Men's soccer brings in so much more revenue than Women's soccer, is so much more popular, yadda yadda. But since you missed the point that womens soccer ≠ men's soccer I should have been more obvious.
     
  15. Anthony

    Anthony Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blame Canada, eh?

     
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  16. JimWharton

    JimWharton Member+

    Feb 25, 2017
    It’s not surprising to me that some people didn’t like how they celebrated the last few goals. What’s surprising me is HOW upset they seem to be, the vehemence and vitriol directed at the team. I’ve seen some awful stuff. Even if you stipulate that their behavior showed poor sportsmanship, does it deserved THIS level of rebuke? I hope they’re ignoring all of it til after.
     
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  17. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that's precisely the point I wanted to make a little more pointed.
    The Belgium team wouldn't celebrate like that because there would never be a comparable situation, and because the Belgium players have plenty of chances for accolades, year-round.
     
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  18. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I think some of it is PC backlash, or whatever you call it. Ive always been a fan of Act Like Youve Been There Before, but I don't think I get critical if people push the envelope. I was a fan of pre-No Fun League lol
     
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  19. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morgan scored more World Cup goals in that single match than Hazard has in his career to-date. In fact, 5 WC goals (Morgan's total for that 1 match) is what Donovan scored across 3 tournament appearances and is considered pretty rare territory for a male player. Zidane and Platini have 5 all-time WC goals.

    I'm not saying they were right or wrong to celebrate, but I'm not sure about this argument.
     
  20. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My point is that these women don't get a 1/10 of the opportunities to celebrate on a big stage that comparable men stars get, and it's just petty to lecture them about it.
     
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  21. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Nor you
     
  22. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #97 Lloyd Heilbrunn, Jun 12, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
    I've already linked one newspaper article, outside this forum, that supported them.

    Here's a another one:

    https://t.co/lDHoIViRFJ


    By a strange coincidence, it seems that most of the Big Soccer posters, that hated the USWNT's position on equal pay, are the ones that dislike 13-0 and the celebrations...
     
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  23. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  24. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rapinoe's is the only one that I think went over the top, but its also Pinoe. I'm not surprised, and it was her only goal in the game and her first in this WWC.

    I also can see why people are upset with the players on the bench with their celebrations on the 10-13th goals. Other than that, I really didn't see anything that went overboard. Even posters that are upset are saying its fine to give some high fives after the goal, but they don't seem to realize that it IS routine for female players to hug and jump on each other after scoring a goal. This is how female players routinely celebrate after a goal. I don't find that over the top. Even the counting on the fingers by Morgan was subdued (it was right in front of her, not with her hand up in the sky) and pointed at her own bench. I doubt many Thai players even saw it.

    And I don't have a problem with the Rapinoe or bench players' celebrations personally seeing that this is the WWC, but I can see why those upset some people. But as for the rest, people really need to get over it. Its the freaking WWC.
     
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  25. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People who keep bringing this up also definitely have not seen the Norway celebration in 1995. It was also post-game, instead of shaking hands with the US players, not after the goals. The US players, in contrast, after the game were consoling the Thai players.
     

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