WWC19 USA v THAILAND June 11, pre/pbp/post

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by McSkillz, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    There are CONSTANT discussions about professionalism in the game. About not acting like an asshole when it's out of hand. Is it in a book? Nope.

    Welcome to the big time, USWNT! You're getting criticized for being dicks.
     
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  2. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, it would have been paranoid.
    "Welcome to the big time"?? To the defending champions? Is this some attempt at advanced Irony?
     
  3. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Almost any chance a team gets to sub a two- or three-goal scorer off the field before the end, they take, usually for two reasons:
    1. Caution - yes, they do this.
    2. To give the player a chance to be recognized by the crowd for his or her accomplishment.

    If there were subs left when Morgan scored #3, Ellis's next move should have been to give her a curtain call and wrap her in bubble wrap. There is NO reason to keep a player who's scored 3 in a rout-of-routs on for 90 minutes.

    Yes, big time. Big time pros get actual criticism from people who give a shit. They've been coasting on a relative lack of general criticism for approximately ever, with women's soccer fans being the only large group to kinda-sorta hold them to account now and then.
     
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  4. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are exactly 3 reasons: If she wants to sub 3 other players more.

    I've really never seen a team and coach so criticized in a flawless win. People are searching so hard for something to complain about. I don't get it.
     
  5. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Flawless? I watched most of the second half. When you have all the time and space in the world, you're going to get shit done. Aside from Morgan, there were some TERRIBLE touches out there.

    Zero things were learned.
     
  6. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. According to you, and many others here, we learned a LOT.
    We learned how "classless" our team is, and how horrible the coach was for not making a mercy substitute... or something.

    If nothing was learned, why are people talking so much about it? Be happy we got warmed up for the tougher games, and got out without injuries.
     
  7. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Yes. They were in fact, out of subs.

    They subbed out Lavelle and Heath at 57 when the gd reached 7 and Ertz at 69, score still 7-0. Morgan's third was at 74 , at which point she was out of position at midfield-- the forwards were (theoretically) Lloyd, Press and Pugh... And the players subbed out were the people more likely to suffer freak injury and also more important.

    They have played for extended periods of time without Morgan this cycle and been good, but Heath is the fulcrum of the attack and Lavelle has been Fragile with a capital F and Ertz is the fulcrum of the defense...
     
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  8. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    A curtain call substitute made with an eye to avoiding injury is literally SOP in the game, and at much lower scores than this.

    People are talking because people are paying attention.

    As for this game's value as a warm-up, it is almost harmful (the draw is FIFA's deal). It tells us nothing about how they will do against a semi-competent team and probably didn't even offer much of a fitness challenge.
     
  9. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Then I withdraw that criticism.
     
  10. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Of course some might have checked the facts before making it in the first place...:cry:
     
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  11. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #361 Lloyd Heilbrunn, Jun 12, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
    When Sweden plays Thailand next and knows exactly the goal difference to target? There are a number of teams in this competition that can beat Thailand by 7, IMO.
     
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  12. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    "Sweden might score 75!"

    Spartacus might have had a Piper Cub.
     
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  13. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I detect some reading comprehension issues.
     
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  14. FC RASTA

    FC RASTA Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because of their reactions at the time! A foot stomp would have humbled someone out there. I know that.
     
  15. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Listen...US is +13 and Sweden is +2 after one game.

    Does anyone seriously think the US is LESS THAN 2 goals better than Chile?

    That makes Sweden's target 13 or more. That's a goal every 7 minutes minimum. Yes, the US managed it. Is Sweden likely to come anywhere near that?
     
  16. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    The Hulu celebration ad has a new tinge to it now.
     
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  17. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A "foot stomp"? A violent attack?
    Again this gleeful imagining of violent retribution by the same people aghast at simple celebrations.
    Can someone square this circle for me?
     
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  18. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We will see.
    Would you have said the U.S. is likely to get 13 before the tournament?
     
  19. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, but that was not your original statement.

    You said 7 would've been enough. 7 is a bit less than 13.

    You can disagree, but in my opinion there are other teams there that can be Thailand by 7. Is Sweden one? We shall see.
     
  20. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Gleeful?

    What is wrong with you?
     
  21. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    And you solve the "problem" of not enough curb-stomping by beating Sweden.
     
  22. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently that I consider a foot stomp to be a bad thing?
     
  23. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or by tying them, with a better goal difference.

    Anyone that thinks this isn't important as a way of to advance has forgotten the US men's game in Trinidad.
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    No one is being gleeful. You do know what gleeful means, right?
     
  25. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    How on earth is that the same?
     

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