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Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by DDR, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
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  2. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy


    La salvezza della Salernitana nella gioia dei suoi protagonisti
     
  3. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. ErPupone

    ErPupone Member+

    Aug 27, 2015
    Austria
    Club:
    AS Roma
  5. Matrim

    Matrim Member+

    Feb 10, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    They didn't postpone Roma and Inter's punishments for years and years and our infractions were quite innocent compared to Milan's.

    I don't remember EUFA doing late night s*xting with our management for years over their decision or giving us the opportunity to write an essay of how we've learned our lesson either.

    Meanwhile Milan are playing in Europe, accumulating wealth, not accumulating penalties and having unfair advantage on the transfer market because of it. Or do you think that anyone worth more than their weight in piss would've bothered joining them if they were out of EL this season or next?

    EDIT: And they didn't even need to build a metro station or give Raggi a raise to achieve that.
     
  6. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did. This is the 2nd or 3rd time UEFA has 'delayed' their decision. The court already ruled in ACM favor last year when UEFA tried to punish them and all the while ACM continued to spend a LOT of money in the winter market.

    UEFA does not have to wait for the court to decide, they could easily have punished ACM and force ACM to court to put a hold on that. This is just the easiest route because UEFA can just throw up their hands and say, "we tried but the court overruled us."

    I'll make you a gentleman's wager that at most ACM get a 1 year ban from playing in CL/EL. More likely they just get a fine and/or roster reductions. FFP is a boogeyman.
     
  7. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The penalties will come later when ACM have unsustainable debt. At some point the debt payments will be so onerous it will consume a large part of their operating budget.
     
  8. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    Well if they ban them from EL they better do it quickly because the EL draw for us is on June 19.
     
  9. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    Java's gunna die on that FFP hill.

    Meanwhile, we have Inter needing to pay 40m before June 30th just like we had to, while also having a roster reduction in Europe last season.

    So far, only clubs owned by countries have really been above it. For the rest of us peasants, that isn't the case.

    Milan's a unique situation due to Li Yonghong possibly being the biggest fraud in the history of sports. It is what it is.
     
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  10. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they do it won't be until next year. Roma already pulled out of the US tour and is preparing for the EL playoffs.
     
  11. ErPupone

    ErPupone Member+

    Aug 27, 2015
    Austria
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Because their initial punishment was much more severe than ours. They did end up with pretty much the same that we and Inter got in the end though.
    I don't expect more at the moment, because a 1 year ban is about the heftiest fine anyone has received because of FFP violations in recent years. The much more annoying thing is that they still have to break even the years afterwards to avoid a more severe punishment. You can go on about how FFP is a joke as often as you want but I've already outlined to you the last time, why the CAS overruled UEFA's decision and how it's very possible that they will end up with a ban the next time (because of how they justified their verdict). As well as how they changed their transfer strategy compared to two years ago as a result of FFP penalties. There's a reason Inter, Roma and now Milan follow these rules, even if you suggest to just break them and don't give a shit about FFP another 10 times.
     
  12. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ... lets just see Inters transfer market this year. It's looking more and more like they are getting ready to drop serious money in the market this summer.

    Everyone crowed ACM were going to get the hammer brought down after last summer. Not only did they escape punishment they spent 70 mil this winter and are going to the EL.

    People keep saying the punishments are coming but I have yet to see any real punishments to deter clubs from violating ffp.
     
  13. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    They had to do the same thing last season, man. The 40m payment is inarguable - it will happen.

    Yeah, they've certainly been making some noise in the rumor mill, but I expect you'll see the majority of their signings come after the 30th of June.

    Should be an interesting summer for them, as always.

    Actually, if you recall, I said UEFA will probably lift the EL ban once Elliot seizes control of the club from Li. Matrim also called me retarded snowflake if you need to jog your memory.

    Do some research, clubs have been making FFP payments for a while now. Those matter.

    If you're looking for something super dramatic, it probably won't happen. City's under pretty intense investigation, though.
     
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  14. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
  15. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    Milan would be better off suspended now. Who knows, they might finish top 4 this year and miss out on CL when they get disqualified for a year.
     
  16. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    Tbf... ;):D
     
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  17. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
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  18. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Little French guy ftw
     
  19. L'immortale

    L'immortale Red Card

    Italy
    Nov 13, 2017
    Retired
    Little French Guy scores a game winner for Italy...


    Falc right now:
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  20. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I didn't. I also recall easing your worries that Elliot was going dismantle and sell off assets when they took over. Even Elliot has to play by the rules of world football ;)
     
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  21. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    Vultures I tell ya, vultures!

    It's beyond evident Elliot want to flip the club, and you don't do that by dismantling the club to nothing but primavera kids. Not that hard to understand.

    They wanna clean the books and get Milan in good standing with UEFA, return Milan to being established in CL again, and then flip the club for an ungodly sum.

    This could take 3-4 years for all we know. But it's obviously been the plan from day 1.

    They outsmarted Li from the second he got in cahoots with them and seized the club for peanuts. They're in no rush.
     
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  22. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    And to piggy-back on this, I suspect that's why Milan had a hard time bringing in their initial targets for DoF/Manager. 80% of the big names want to join projects they can win with immediately and they know Milan's a tricky proposition at this point in time.

    I think everyone's acutely aware that they won't be signing any Bonucci's or Biglia's for the foreseeable future. That was a one-off summer, led by a fraud who wanted to shake his dick at world football, and needed to make CL or he'd lose the club. (probably would've regardless)

    You don't bring in a stickler like Gazidis and make decisions like that. It's no coincidence after he was hired, Higuain's loan was terminated and the moves for Zlatan and Fabregas were immediately vetoed despite them being free agents.

    I actually rate Leonardo as a DoF, and I thought the additions of Caldara, Piatek, Paqueta, and Bakayoko were outstanding. And really, I thought he only made one major gaffe by allowing Locatelli to leave. (though, never been that high on Laxalt/Castillejo and Borini was pointless)

    I'm obviously not privy to what happened behind the scenes, but from what I can gather, it seems like Gazidis felt top-4 was more than attainable, and then decided they needed to move on from Gattuso, which then led Leonardo to resign. Not too dissimilar to Monchi and EDF. It's also possible he just wanted to bring in his own guys - I dunno.

    With the additions of Gazidis, Massara, and Giampaolo, I think the plan is pretty clear: they want to build with youth and develop.

    According to Sky, Elliot has given a transfer budget of 25-40m, which is by no means a formidable sum and is 100% a direct correlation from the restraints UEFA places on clubs.

    We've already seen the departures of Abate, Montolivo, Mauri, Zapata, Bertolacci and Tiémoué Bakayoko went back to London. So they've already rid themselves of needless wages and deadwood.

    If I were them, I'd do whatever I can to add Antonio Donna (we know why he's there), Strinic, Biglia, and Borini to that list.

    What I suspect what will happen is, Milan will have to move on from the likes of Suso, Calhanoglu, Kessie, Bonaventura, Mussachio and Rodriguez if they want to increase their transfer kitty substantially. And for me, Kessie and Suso would probably be the most likely candidates due to be the most attractive assets, whilst allowing them to sell the least amount of players.

    @Calcio Pauly, let me know if I'm way off base here, or if you see a couple of things differently.
     
  23. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

    United States
    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #35299 Calcio Pauly, Jun 12, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
    I agree.

    This, for sure

    I'd like to keep Kessie and Suso. Replacing them with equivalent players will essentially cost the same, but they would definitely bring a higher return than the dead weight. Unless they have someone specific in mind, selling two core players like that brings too much change. They still have a lot of influence and can contribute to the rebuilding. I'd keep Bonaventura too. He's a decent utility player and you're not going to get much for him.

    The other obvious elephant in the room is Gigio with the emergence of Plizarri. Are either Madrid or PSG still considering $120-$150m offers? ;) Even with Plizarri performing well at the U20, it's still premature to think of moving Donnarumma, but you never know.

    The rest that you mention can go.

    The movement towards youth over the last two seasons will continue. The old school fan in me thinks we need a good journeyman midfielder to tie them together, but the trend these days is not going in that direction so I don't expect that sort of signing with limited resources at hand.
     
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  25. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    Yeah, I was thinking of mentioning that, but I really don't have a good grasp on how good Plizarri is. I just know he's highly thought of, essentially.

    If you could get an absurd fee for Donna and remove his wages.... and then replace him internally and not have a significant drop-off in quality? I mean, you have to at least consider it, I would think. Reina's not the worst backup in the world either if need be.

    Gigio's a pretty divisive player and takes a lot of shit in these parts for reasons unbeknownst to me. He's going to be a fantastic keeper, people may as well accept it and stop bashing a dude who just turned 20 years old.

    In this history of the game, the number of keepers with 160+ starts under their belt before the age of 20 (in a top league), is pretty much 0.

    I'd like to think he's a pillar of Milan, but you could certainly see the logic behind moving him.
     

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