UEFA Superleague idea

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by barroldinho, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I do like that it's an attacking team. Not some bunkering team getting through the stages.
     
  2. JoNike

    JoNike New Member

    Lyon
    Finland
    Apr 28, 2019
    Finland
    Nat'l Team:
    Finland
    #102 JoNike, May 1, 2019
    Last edited: May 1, 2019
    Maybe my will 30 teams to the european super league. :ROFLMAO:
     
  3. There are "fans" of the big teams, telling that Ajax only got that far because the big teams sucked and were old and tired etc.
    Seems jolly for the socalled superleague that even in an unbalanced playing field in their favour they're not able to field a team that beats the crap out of a club from what those fans refer to as the mickey mouse league.
    So when they enter in that superleague and are confronted with clubs with spending power at least 5 times higher than the mickey mouse league club, it will be very entertaining for those suckerfans to be beaten up a whole season, instead of tripping one round in a ko competition.
     
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  4. From the Nations league thread another prediction:
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  5. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Stories are coming out now about plans to restructure the Champions League and making it close to impossible for clubs from smaller UEFA countries to realistically compete. This will mark the death of competitive football across Europe if it does come to pass. It would be far better for UEFA to go back to original concept and make it a competition for champions. One could still have multiple entries from the big football countries but ONLY give the league champion an automatic pass into the group stage. Preserve group stage berths for more countries based on their performance and then push all the remaining clubs into a tiered competition of qualifying rounds. I'm amazed that Ajax managed to get through three qualifying rounds, the group stage, and then the knockout round and still come within 30 seconds of making it to the final. Let ManCity, Juventus, Bayern, Barca, PSG go into the group stage but make teams such as Liverpool, Spurs, Real Madrid, Dortmund, Roma, etc. show their mettle by having to go through qualification rounds.

    This would add more interest to domestic leagues as only the top place gets automatic group stage qualification. Let's not make this a plan of enriching the already rich clubs any further.
     
  6. I think it will mark the death of that CL, as already because of the predictability and the impossibility of other clubs than the usual suspects to reach the last eight, interest in the CL is dropping fast. They only saw growth because of the Asian market. Making it a sort of closed league to guarantee income to certain clubs is going to meet some serious action from the EU.
    However I think it will put off even more fans of watching it. What's the point? Just imagine that only players from big countries are allowed to enter the ATP tournements, because that's the source where most tv money comes from and Dutch, Belgian etc.players are limited to a couple of slots to keep up the pretence.
    The outrage would be huge.
     
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  7. Amirb

    Amirb New Member

    Barcelona
    Israel
    Oct 7, 2017
    It is so funny that you said that, because that exactly what happened this year in mens' tennis. A reform was made that made the pathway almost impossible to players from countries without big tournament to give them WC. The outrage was pretty mediocre and did not hit the mainstream at all...
     
  8. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    football is (un)fortunately too popular and too big, and can’t be killed that easy, not even by the worst possible greediness by FIFA, UEFA & ECA alltogether
     
  9. demmit:mad:
     
  10. Steve Page

    Steve Page Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    All the leagues are against. All the match-going fans are against. The only people in favour are Juventus, Napoli (!) and some other clubs that dare not support it in public. It must be crushed.
     
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  11. Actually I want it to happen. It will crush those clubs into insignificance and for the next decades give us the tools to hit clubs that want to extort priviliges at the cost of clubs with a less high profile with the threat to kick them out of the CL/EL.
     
  12. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I just saw on Ajax Showtime that Ajax will have to go through two qualification rounds, one fewer than this year, to make it to the group stage of the Champions League. Of course this is done to please the automatic group stage qualifiers from the "big" leagues. This just sucks!!

    So we get a number of teams who are not as good as Ajax that get automatic passes from qualification. UEFA are like The Walking Dead, a Zombie organization.
     
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  13. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    ajax will qualify directly as dutch champion, so no worries about that
     
  14. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Not this upcoming CL season. They have to go into the third qualifying round and then, if they win, the playoff round. It's one less round than the route they took this year. Direct qualification for the Dutch champion does not start until 2020 CL competition.
     
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  15. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    According to the NY Times, ManCity may be kicked out of CL football for financial irregularities. A lot of this was documented in the Football Leaks files and UEFA, if they are not toothless, should take swift action. If ManCity prevail this will mark the end of financial fair play (which really never existed anyway).
     
  16. The supposed superclubs are that until they stop being so.
    Money wise Manchester United is top 4 superclub.
    However when you look at the stars that want to play for you, and that's particular of importance to plastic non European "fans", you only are one if you've stars appealling power.
    Manchester United has a star they bought for the then highest price ever payed, Pogba. He's itching to move out. Rumours are going around ManUnited offered de Ligt a contract for over 12 million a year, but he refused it.
    So with a team and management disfunctionality in place and players needed to improve, but unwilling to sign, how long will it take to lose that superclub badge?
    To retain attractiveness to players you then have to push China Superleague salaries over the table, of which for instance Chelsea said those are impossible to pay, even for EPL top clubs.
     
  17. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    sorry, you're right of course. redbull got the last direct spot this year
     
  18. Steve Page

    Steve Page Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Manchester United are owned by the Glazers who are more interested in taking money out of the club than investing in success. Belatedly they have started spending more because Champions League qualification is so important financially. They will remain one of the top clubs for generating money for a very long time to come. However, they won't necessarily spend all of it or spend it well.

    Players want to play in the Champions League. Man Utd have missed out, again. At the moment players would rather go to Man City or Liverpool. Or Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus or Bayern Munich. Man Utd's mismanagement have moved them down a level of attractiveness to players. We all know that supporters don't change clubs so the income is there for decades to come.
     
  19. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    @Steve Page - you are correct about the Glazers taking money out of the club! Even so, ManU has one of the largest stadiums in the EPL (maybe the largest) and their game day income is very high. They also get a lot of money from the EPL television deal and the Glazers don't have to worry much about cash flow.
     
  20. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    glazers have two cash cows, one in manchester and one in tampa. NFL cash is safe no matter if they win or lose and they will do whats necessary to get UK cash as well. that currently includes the squad that would qualify for the UCL and when that super league (call it any name) starts in 2024 they're in anyway.

    so I wouldnt necessarily expect many titles in the near future, but they will stay up there, no doubt about that!
     
  21. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Netherlands fell from 13th to 14th in the country coefficients used for 2018-2019 to what will be used for 2019-2020. The second place club remains starting in non-Champions Qualifying Round 2 and having to advance three rounds. The champion is moved from Champions Playoff Round to Champions Qualifying Round 3. The beneficiary of coefficient changes is Red Bull Salzburg. In 2018-2019 they started in Champions Qualifying Round 3 and went out in the Playoff Round (and went out in the EL Round of 16). Because the 2018-2019 CL champion qualified through their league, the Austrian champion (Red Bull Salzburg again) got bumped up to starting in the Group Stage.
     
  22. German leagues reject UEFA plans for "Superliga CL" etc.
    Klubs entscheiden einstimmig Bundesliga lehnt Super-Liga-Pläne ab

    https://www.bild.de/.../bundesliga-36-klubs-lehnen-super-liga-plae...


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    15 mei 2019 - Die 36 Profivereine der DFL (Deutsche Fußball Liga) lehnen die Pläne für eine Reform der ... Bundesliga: 36 Klubs lehnen Super-Liga-Pläne ab 2024 ab ... BILD enthüllt Uefa-Pläne So wird die neue Super-Liga. Uefa-Boss .
    BVB und FCB an Bord: DFL lehnt Europapokal-Reformpläne ab ...

    https://www.kicker.de/.../artikel_dfl-lehnt-europapokal-reformplae...


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    15 mei 2019 - BVB und FCB an Bord: DFL lehnt Europapokal-Reformpläne ab ... Pendant beim DFB, zur UEFA: Das Duo soll die deutschen Bedenken gegen ..
     
  23. The UEFA with these plans are foremost targeting the goal of filling their money vaults and in that quest are sucking up the socalled superclubs.
    In doing so they take for granted the national leagues lose hundreds of millions in revenues from their leagues.
    Clearly the UEFA is forgetting one important fact. They arenot the reason for FA's to exist. They exist because of the FA's. I forgot which organisational theory writer it was who used the term, but UEFA is what is described as an appendix organisation. It's existance is dependant on it's usefulness to the deciding organisations.
    If UEFA thinks it can further it's own agenda at the detriment of the FA's that decide whether or not UEFA is relevant or not, they have something coming, apart from the reaction of the EU.
     
  24. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    and a couple of days after both watzke and honess confirm in separate interview that there is no other way but to join superleague

    what have we learned?
     
  25. That they still play the blackmail game towards UEFA, while everybody knows the European Union has fired warning shots towards that idea.
    They've been banging that barrel drum for over a decade now and given the doubling of their revenues as projected by those Asian and Yank investors they still are only talking and threatening, while given those shiny prognosis those clubs alreadt should be playing in that mirage league for years now.
    But they still are where they are. Guess why? That SL isnot that shiny at all? The BuLi threat that German clubs joining cannot participate in any way in the German league anymore?
    Do you really think if it was such a brilliant idea that Bayern München would be in the BuLi/CL with 700 million revenues while they according to those SL investors are guaranteed 1.4 billion? Really. Come on.
     

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