India-Pakistan conflict 2019

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  1. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    #1 spejic, Feb 27, 2019
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    On Feb. 14, over 40 Indian security personnel were killed by a VBIED attack on their convoy. It was claimed by the Pakistan-based militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed, and while Pakistan denounced it India is quite certain Pakistan directly supports the militants.

    On Feb 26 India launched an attack by 12 Jaguars, claiming to have bombed militant training grounds killing hundreds. Pakistan says they bombed empty forest, and local villagers who observed the bombing and international terrorist experts who say militants don't use big training camps anymore agree. Ground troops are also starting to shell each other along the Line of Control.

    On Feb. 27, Pakistan claims to have launched multiple bomber attacks in India Administered Kashmir, which India says hit nothing, and that the three intruding jets were chased away by six Indian fighters.

    Later, between 2 and 4 Indian MiG-21's crossed the border and were met with an equal number of Pakistani fighters of disputed type. At least one Indian jet is known to have been shot down and its pilot captured, although both sides have additional claims that the other denies.
     
  2. ceezmad

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    Indian MIG 21's vs Pakistani (old) F-16.

    as far as I have read, India shot down 1 Pakistani F-16 and lost 2 MIG 21s.
     
  3. spejic

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    The bombing packages had many more planes than that. And the F-16's would actually be a problem, which is why Pakistan is denying their use. The contract for their sale to Pakistan prevents their use in offensive actions. The US is investigating.

    There hasn't been any proof of that, however.

    The two sides seem to have crawled back from the brink, although shelling across the border is still taking place.
     
  4. ceezmad

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-did-india-send-old-030000764.html


    More about selling planes to India, but some information about what went down.
     
  5. spejic

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    It is now reported that among the Feb 27 actions an Indian Mi-17 rescue helicopter was shot down by an Indian fighter. There are some strong rumors that the Indian Chief of Western Air Command was sacked after the events of that day.
     
  6. ceezmad

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    I remember reading that during the past wars that they have fought, friendly fire in terms of shooting down your own airplanes was very common by both India and Pakistan.
     
  7. song219

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    I think this is pretty much standard with international arms sales at least to non-NATO countries but I don't think it has ever really constrained their use.
     
  8. spejic

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    Yes, but it does indicate problems in command and control. India's military hasn't shone well here.

    In other news, the continuing shelling on both sides has claimed at least 6 soldiers and civilians. The Jaish-e-Mohammed school that India claims to have flattened in their bombing sortie has been photographed by a commercial satellite service, and there is no damage or any evidence of bombs dropped anywhere near it. India has placed an emergency order for MiG-29's from Russia, and one of their MiG-21's crashed near the border after a birdstrike. And both sides are utterly awash with fake news.
     

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