MLS Flavors of the Week, 2018 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like a good deal for Roldan that ensures Seattle get paid if they sell him. Probably the same deal with Morris. LA did a similar thing with Omar a few years back.
     
  2. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That kind of sucks about Roldan. For ideal outcome he would have waited until he was an FA, but you can understand players off first contract taking the financial security especially given the peanuts you get initially in MLS.

    National team managers really tied his hands the last couple of years by not giving him more of an opportunity to where he could leverage a sizable enough transfer fee for an opportunity in a legit European League.

    Hopefully he can still move in a year or two if he actually receives that from Berhalter, although he's got the built-in affinity for Trapp, and conflicts of interest. I think MLS wants to really hold onto Roldan because he's beloved in Seattle and actually good. So they may (already) use their influence in USS to hoist pedestrian footballers like Acosta to the NT. Doesn't move the needle if they lose footballers like that.
     
  3. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In regards to Rowe and Agudelo usage/trade; it amazes me that a lot of folks in this thread were acting like the decisions of Friedel, a first year coach, was gospel.
     
  4. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think Roldan gets that good in MLS or gets shots with the national team to even prove it with how the current pool is looking
     
  5. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe, but as a Sounders fan I'm extremely happy that the we locked him up. That kid is a rock in midfield.
     
  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I'm pretty sure he will. He is a good player. His problem has been he gets a knicked just before a call up and sits home recovering. He's just the kind of player we need because he can score goals and defend as well.
     
  7. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Few other interesting moves coming down, Rosenberry was dealt to the Rapids; who now boast Acosta, Rosenberry, and Hairston in their rotation for US flavor purposes.

    One I am not such a fan of.........Edwards was dealt to DC. Pretty much loathe that move entirely; hes not gonna get any PT unless they think he can push Hamid. Hamid is made of glass, that is well known, but I would have preferred a place like Columbus where there is an obvious keeper crisis.
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Rowe--love this move. He gets to play on a consistent winner and for a coach who excels at elevating players' games. He is going to play the 8 or 10 in SKC's 433.

    Agudelo--weird move from a player with a history of strange choices. His improved fitness, professionalism, and attitude had looked to augur a move away from the Revs. Hopefully, he at least locks down a starter's berth in Friedel's team. He did look good in Portugal match and may have more to offer the NT.

    Colorado Rapids--are building a nice core of American players with Bassett, Acosta, Jackson, Hairston, Serna, Rosenberry, and Ford.

    Roldan--10-plus years ago, moving abroad would have been a no-brainer. But the reported $800k deal he re-signed for will keep most mid-career National Team-level players home. Only a big-5 league would be worth a move.
     
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  9. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I think he'll be better for us by staying in Seattle. He just had some bad luck with untimely injuries or he would already have lots of experience with international play which he needs since he wasn't in the latter day youth teams.
     
  10. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mcmullett picked up by the dynamo, that’s a pretty good place for him to land actually
     
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  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He hasn't had a mullet in two years.
     
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  12. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Time to bring that shit back.
     
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  13. #8or#6

    #8or#6 Red Card

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 15, 2017
    I don't believe any of this. Owners and managers in every sport know fans are quick to cotton to new players and accept new conditions.
    What's the other point? Are you saying owners get together and decide which MLS players should be chosen to the USMNT? I hope not, because that would be like saying the USMNT is similar a wrestling team in the WWE.
     
  14. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn’t go that far but there was talk some years back that the MLS asked the US coach not to call in too many players from any one given team.
     
  15. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They don't want to have to create new stars. That takes time, and the next guy logically won't be as good, especially if you're trying to replace one domestic with another. They've went through this more in the first Arena and Bradley years where there was a pretty steady pipeline to the national team and in turn Europe. This is where the league had a lag period. There are other factors, but perception is reality in this case, and they've grown to a degree while Klinsmann and co. burned the bridge, as well as they have their say in USS' matters between the shared marketing arm and Garber's presence on the board.

    They need a domestic base for marketing purposes as well as to have a cheap foundation to offset their higher priced foreigners they needed to compete on the international market for. If they create a virtual international market for domestics too, that increases wages within the league, and they're in a constant rebuild state like the Netherlands. There is more the U.S. can build toward theoretically because of the population size, but they also have to battle popularity issues. I have a sense MLS doesn't have a long-term plan, rather they're preserving remaining in the black, surviving off continual buy-in fees, keeping costs down, while maintaining sufficient talent. Single entity and the cap supports this. They've never taken off the training wheels which is objectively going to be required at some point to compete with the better leagues in the world. And while the attendances have increased, their ratings and subs, which is where most of the money comes from in modern sport, is really lagging.

    I'm not in the blame MLS for everything camp, but this particular conflict of interest theory makes enough sense to me between those previous points, and the specific integrations from the league not passing the smell test.
     
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  16. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Yes, they admitted their strategy was to keep talent here. that is why Acosta was the one in the shop window and better players were not called up in his stead. (from planetfutbol By far the most experienced player in the camp will be Michael Bradley, who has 142 caps, followed by Gyasi Zardes (40) and Kellyn Acosta (23).

    The failure to qualify has called into question the old theme of "who cares, we qualify automatically anyway". It became clear that US Soccer had to overlook MLS strategies in squad selection.
     
  17. #8or#6

    #8or#6 Red Card

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 15, 2017
    In general, clubs do not like international play. They lose the services of a player they pay the freight for, even if it's only for a short period. They also risk those players getting hurt. So it's not unusual to hear club owners throughout the world try to impose their will on international managers. The difference between the ask and the given is FIFA rules govern international play.

    The Duke says,"So they may (already) use their influence in USS to hoist pedestrian footballers like Acosta to the NT. Doesn't move the needle if they lose footballers like that."

    He's clearly saying he believes the MLS owners are forming a possibly illegal, secret agreement on determining who from their collective clubs can be called up to the NT.

    That's a real conspiracy theory, not a conflict of interest.
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. #8or#6

    #8or#6 Red Card

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 15, 2017
    My post is nonsense?
     
  20. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Conspiracy theory doesn't bother me. That term has been bastardized and selectively applied to protect people in power who control the narrative. There are good and bad conspiracy theories. Many get proven historically through their own documents or internal memos, although if you don't learn from that it's meaningless because you scoff at them out of hand at the time and don't make use of the new evidence provided.

    And I'm not clearly saying it goes nearly as far as you claim. All it would involve is Garber having a philosophy of what's good for the league, similarly like he does when the salary cap and single entity are imposed. That's proof he wants to tamp down on salaries, especially for domestics. Basic monetary motive. He can control it through structure within the league.

    As far as NT hirings, he was like 1 of a whole 3 on the board for that IIRC. So he can greatly influence a hiring that projects to work in his/the league's favor and to maintain both tacit and verbal influence over him during the tenure. Would really constitute the ulterior motive of one man representing a group of men. They don't really have to talk about anything, just extend or fire him depending on if he keeps them in the black.
     
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  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No the previous post. You replied just before I did.
     
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  22. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im still a no stone unturned guy, so for the Camp Cupcake invites I was pretty disappointed not to see Rowe, Agudelo, or Parker. I think they all visually have something to offer the program that some guys that did get invited do not.
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Parker slipped during the second half of the season. Friedel destroyed the values of the latter two.
     
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  24. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    amended *** I am still happy overall with the call ups , forgot to say that

    Parker might have slipped, it not like Glad did IMO
     
  25. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did Glad really slip or was Petke being a dickhead?
     

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