South American, Central American & Caribbean Elections.

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  1. argentine soccer fan

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    Yeah, we’ve been known to produce great leaders
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    If you want the very best you can't go wrong with royalty! :whistling:

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  3. ceezmad

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    Yes, it looks like Brazil will get their own Trump.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/brazil-apos-wing-candidate-jair-232319256.html


    He almost won in the first round.
     
  4. ceezmad

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    It looks like in Brazil the PT made the same error as Democrats in the USA.

    Man, this does read like a total dejavu.

    Replace the PSDB and PDM with "moderate" republicans (well they did win elections, but eventually crumbled to Trump).

    https://www.economist.com/the-ameri...st-is-poised-to-become-brazils-next-president
     
  5. NaBUru38

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    The PT is massively corrupt, which is not the case for the Democrats.
     
  6. ceezmad

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    In Brazil all parties are massively corrupt, so you have to handicap that.
     
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  8. argentine soccer fan

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  10. argentine soccer fan

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    #85 argentine soccer fan, May 21, 2019
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    So, in a normal presidential democracy, people usually announce their candidacy for president before the primaries, and if they make the general election, they then pick their running mate.

    In Argentina we do it differently. Christina Kirchner announced that she is running for vice-president. Then, she gets to pick her puppet...errr her presidential candidate.
     
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  11. ceezmad

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    I did see that, hey elected office tends to be useful in getting out of legal problems.
     
  12. ceezmad

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    So in Bolivia Evo Morales wins again, opposition protests that the Electoral commission may have massaged the numbers to ovoid a run-off.

    https://www.latinousa.org/2019/10/25/moraleswinnerbolivia/


    In Argentina as expected, the left will be back in power, so if you bought Argentina bonds, you may start thinking about selling off.

    Now that Cristina Fernandez is VP, investigations about her and corruption may have to be put on hold for a while, funny how that works out.

    https://www.france24.com/en/2019102...urn-to-power-in-weekend-presidential-election
     
  13. DoyleG

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    Bye Bye, Morales.

    Didn't indoctrinate the army enough.
     
  14. ceezmad

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    Yeah this could go bad quick, hopefully they hold a new election very soon.
     
  15. deejay

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    After an exhausting month on whatsApp and FaceBook, I am happy to report that Bolivian demonstrators have again forced another corrupt president to resign. So far the record of the last 40 years heavily weighs in favor of demonstrators over the army. They are 3-0-0.
     
  16. ceezmad

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    I do have to give props to the Bolivian Army, they are not using the current political fvckfest to take over power.

    They seem content with staying in the barracks, just telling the President that, your time is up, we are not going to help you stay in power.
     
  17. ceezmad

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    Man, when Twitter boomerangs and hits you in the face.

     
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  18. argentine soccer fan

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  20. argentine soccer fan

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    I doubt it. He comes from a successful career in the private sector - in banking, and he leans right, While he tries not to identify himself ideologically (a good idea for him in a leftist leaning nation like Ecuador) he does support limiting the scope of government, lowering taxes and debt, as well as working to increase private sector jobs. He appears (so far) to be somebody who respects the democratic institutions as well as freedom of the press, but we'll see.

    I see the conflict in Latin America today as not so much right vs left, but as a struggle between those who want to abide by the democratic institutions and those who don't - regardless of whether they come from the right like Bolsonaro or from the left like Maduro. It appears to me that in this case the candidate who respected the democratic institutions more is the one who won.

    Of course, while I see supporting freedoms and democratic institutions as a good thing, it doesn't mean he'll be a good president. For one thing, those who respect the institutions are not necessarily less corrupt than those who don't, they simply manage to get rich within the framework of the institutions.

    And, going deeper beyond corruption, respecting the democratic institutions does not solve the challenges that a poor nation like Ecuador faces. That's why the demagogues who promise easy answers if only they are given more power have had so much success in our side of the world.

    Ecuador is a mess, and the pandemic has made made things even worse. I wish the new president good luck - even if he turns out to be a good guy, the odds are still against him doing well.
     
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  21. song219

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    None of this is polemical enough. How do you expect to drive readers to BS with this?
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

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    I think Woody Allen put it best:

    “More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.”
     
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  23. argentine soccer fan

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    Meanwhile, in Peru, school teacher and union leader Pedro Castillo, a leftist, got the most votes in the first round, and will most likely go into a runoff against Keiko Fujimori, daughter of former president Alberto Fujimori. Pending recount, it's still possible that the runoff will be against Hernando De Soto. Both Fujimori and De Soto are rightists.

    While Castillo is considered a "radical leftist" and a "champion of the poor" due to his economic ideology, he is also campaigning as a social conservative. (Pro-life, anti gay marriage etc.) Left and right often are not the same in Latin America as in the US.

    https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021...te-gives-surprise-lead-to-pedro-castillo.html
     
  24. ceezmad

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    Yeah, is hard to be non-religious and left in Latin America, in Mexico AMLO did well with the religious right.

    In his defense he is better than a right wing party would be, while he won't advance pro gay rights, or expand abortion rights, he at least does not try to impose more anti gay, or anti abortion laws. He just stays neutral and claims he does not want to divide the country with cultural issues.
     
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