SF: July 10 France vs Belgium [R]

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  1. erikr10

    erikr10 New Member

    Atlético Mineiro
    Suriname
    Jul 10, 2018
    I agree... France is too good on all levels. No team can compete with them this cup. Although, I think if Belgium was on the other side of the bracket, we would have seen a France v Belgium final.
     
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  2. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    You're right about the shots (damn it!) but Belgium still dominated possession 60-40. In fact, more than Brazil did. The point is, teams that are ahead (especially by two goals), drop back and yield possession to the trailing team. There was nothing unusual (or lucky) about how Belgium played Brazil. It was just sound tactics.
     
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  3. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
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    Iran
    Even if Mbappe dived in one incident, there is no clear pattern to him doing so overall. Besides, I can stomach divers a lot more than hackers and cheats. Uruguay, while comparatively clean-cut by their standards this time around, used to be world champions on all 3 counts: diving, hacking and cheating! Colombia has taken over from them, and Neymar (who I don't mind despite his dives) is still the player who you know will be diving in every game.

    All that said, I still would have liked a Brazil-England final. But certainly France, in no small measure because of Mbappe, can be even more exciting and deserving in many ways.
     
  4. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    Streak is now guaranteed. Winning team will have a manager native to their country.
     
  5. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    Wasn't just him. Kante and others were out denying the passing lanes to him.
     
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  6. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    All true, but someone forgot to tell that to Japan! Once Japan was up 2:0, they showed have parked the bus and defended like crazy. I think they could have survived and made it past Belgium.
     
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  7. nick p

    nick p Member+

    Jul 11, 2009
    Baltimore Maryland
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    DC United
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    United States
    I think Madrid should go For Mbappe he’s Just too good
     
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  8. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
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    I was thinking that too. With Ronaldo moving to Juventus, time for a new, fresh, and even more exciting face to represent Real Madrid. And no one fits that bill as well as Mbappe.
     
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  9. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Except for the conceding 9 shots on goal that required Courtois to have a record-tying performance. Surrendering so many opportunities that result in real danger isn't being defensive, or at least it doesn't qualify as being effectively defensive. in any event, this notion that Belgium "outplayed" Brazil was total nonsense.

    (and are you really distinguishing between a 60-40 split and a 59-41 split? :). )
     
  10. marush

    marush Member

    Aug 17, 2008
    Somehow the French play a really shitty football. That's not attractive. But they did what Belgium does not like. They gave Belgium the ball. They only defended. Belgium had the ball all the time. No movement without the ball of the other players. Static. No Belgian knew what he should do. If Belgium has the place and can counter, the Belgians are one of the best teams in the world. The French did not allow that.
    Not very attractive, but successful.
     
  11. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    definitely. I'd love to see more yellows for simulation and generally more for PI.

    I came into it thinking that if it wasn't going to be Brazil, France is an exciting, talented side with a lot of fantastic young talent. I've been thinking they were going to be terrifying all year, and they haven't disappointed.
     
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  12. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

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    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
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    Argentina
    -Hazard was the best player of the World Cup (that foul not called on him on the tip of the area, dear god...). He deserved to be playing in the WC final.

    -De Bruyne was a let down.

    -The ref today was a joke on the 2nd half, every 50-50 challenge went on France favour, and of the 6 minutes added there was 1-2 actually played.

    -France are a quality side, they deserve to be on the final and are favourites to win it.
     
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  13. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

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    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Possession without shots is pretty meaningless and shots without shots on goal is almost as meaningless. But regardless of stats France "outplayed" Belgium as they were consistently more organized and seemed more aware as a team what was going on all over the field.

    I actually think that if both teams had chosen to open up the game France still wins something like 4-2 or 3-1 but they understood there was danger in being too open with the finishers that were on the field and they chose to keep the play tight and controlled.

    France was the better team on this day and the better team won pretty much exactly as they planed.

    As others have said I expect France to win against whichever team comes out of the match tomorrow but I expect that winner will be England so I think we are looking forward to a probable final of France vs England which France will win.

    I enjoyed today's match. It was quite tactical with talented players working together to produce the final product on the field. France's final product was just a little better than Belgium's.
     
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  14. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Hazard is definitely a great player too. My 2nd favorite player in this tournament after Mbappe.
     
  15. minimalfb

    minimalfb Member

    FC Barcelona
    Argentina
    Jun 15, 2018
    Totally forgettable game. Should have been a goal fest. Poor finishing. Last 20 minutes were actually quiet boring. Belgium kept trying the same cross+header pattern all through out the match, nothing creative. In comparison, Brazil was doing so much in QF that match was interesting till the last minute. Not this.
     
  16. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
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    57-43 according to FIFA. Not to mention Belgium had a two goal lead up until the 75th minute, something France never had.

    https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/match/300331538/#motm
     
  17. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    If I haven't watched a game, and had to find some indication of how it went, I might look at stats for that purpose. But once you watch a game, no stat can tell you something different than what you saw!

    After the 30th minute mark, France was the better team compared to Belgium until the end of the match. The first 30 minutes, however, went mostly to Belgium.

    Brazil did well to put a lot of pressure on Belgium in the 2nd half and might have deserved to find an equalizer from all their effort. But the most you could say is that they might have deserved to equalize and take that game to overtime.
     
  18. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Bahahahahahahah !!!! Nice catch.
     
  19. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holy cow!

    I just realize France REALLY doesn't travel well.

    Since 1990,

    France has either not qualified or failed in the group stage in every world cup outside of Europe and made the FINAL in all three held in Europe!

    creeeeeepy, man!
     
  20. cabezamagica

    cabezamagica Member

    Feb 10, 2011
    NYC
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
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    Ecuador
    Come on now,taking a fall for a foul ,now and then is part of the game,making it part of your overall personal game a la Neymar ,is totally different.
     
  21. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    True taht. Surrendering the goal made Belgium actually play, which was nice.

    My only point is that if you are surrendering 9 shots on goal and relying on 8 saves, you have kind of lost any claim to having done a good job defensively.
     
  22. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    They did. He said no.
     
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  23. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except of course that Neymar gets actually fouled way more than Mbappe. If Mbappe gets hacked as much as Neymar does, he will start to take some action as well
     
  24. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Belgium doesn't have a good defense. I have no doubt about that. Not only the stats bear me out on it given that they have allowed a good number of goals in this tournament, they have also allowed almost all teams facing them plenty of chances. Even Tunisia scored 2 and had 2-3 other chances to score as well. Belgium's true quality is in the trio of Hazard, Lukaka (controlled well in this match) and KDB and how they do upfront. The rest seem quite overrated to me.
     
  25. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Don't forget Courtois, probably the best goalkeeper of the WC.
     
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  26. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Here is the real truth, none of these teams are head and shoulders above each other. Belgium, France, Brazil were roughly on the same level and either one of those 3 could have made the final. I think what may have hurt Brazil a little were some of the injuries and missing Casemiro. Belgium and France looked pretty 100% physically. I would have put Croatia in there too but I am not impressed by them in the KO rounds so far. Still a very solid side. I'd rank England lower but anything can happen at this point.
     
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