Group G: Preview & Analysis

Discussion in 'GROUP G: Belgium, England, Tunisia, Panama' started by Blondo, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Well, we have a couple of Belgian guys who post around here who can get into the personal vs. tactical debate I suppose.

    If Martinez says it is a tactical reason I can only go by his word. I have respected his analysis on ESPN the last few World Cups and Euros and he does not seem to be the type to be emotional when it comes to these sort of things.
    But I will differ to the Belgian fans who know more about this situation than I do.
     
  2. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    No Mohawk man....incredible, given the questionable quality of many on the Belgium list. I agree withthe posters who say it has to be personal with Martinez.
     
  3. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Roberto Martinez: “Radja is a top player. The reason is tactical. In the last two years the team has worked in a specific manner. We know that Radja has a very important role in his club and we cannot give him that role in our squad. Other players had those roles.”

    Nainggolan has since announced his retirement from the national team.

     
  4. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Reportedly, Nainggolan still had a chance before Martinez went to Rome for a final talk (the day before the squad was made public). Radja didn't win his trust. According to Nainggolan's family and friends it was a massive blow for Radja, which lead to ending his international career a day later. Making the team was everything for Radja and he confirmed he wouldn't have minded a fringe role in Russia. He feels he merits a place for what he brings on the pitch. Apparently, off the pitch issues have been decisive. Radja is no angel but neither are players like Vidal for example. Possibly Martinez fears Radja could cause unrest, as he'd have to settle for the bench, and he could be too much of a distraction. Radja usually grabs the media's attention but then again it was often due to Martinez snubbing him during the WCQs. It beggars belief that Radja still didn't get in even after he told Martinez he'd accept a bench role and considering quite a few that did get a call-up aren't exactly in his class.
     
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  5. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The only way Panama makes it to the second round is if Belgium and England don't show up for the tournament.
     
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  7. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    ...like Italy and England did when Costa Rica made it? Some Ticos might disagree with that assessment. I, being Canadian, am no fan of Costa Rica or Panama, but I think they had strengths the Europeans didn't , they made it on their own, and Panama has speed and some other strengths that could potentially cause problems for their rivals. :)
     
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  8. Naffster

    Naffster New Member

    AC Milan
    Tunisia
    May 29, 2018
    I see a lot of arrogance from English fans like every four years even though they’re a good team, football is played on the field, Tunisia is a decent side that could give them and Belgium a lot of trouble.
     
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  9. Raed72

    Raed72 New Member

    Barcelona
    Russia
    Jun 1, 2018
    Hi All,
    I have 2 category 1 tickets for England VS Tunisia
    anyone interested please get in touch with me, I will be in Russia starting from the 12th of June
     
  10. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Arrogance? Majority of people in England don't think we'll do anything. Even in 2014 many opinions were mixed. It's common for outsiders to think England always bang their chests before every major tournament.

    Having said that I'm sure Tunisia will give us a good game and make us work very hard for the most part.
     
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  11. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Tunisia 2 - 2 Turkey.
     
  12. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Tunisia can definitely get a goal, but is it more worrying that they've shipped four goals in two games?
     
  13. Naffster

    Naffster New Member

    AC Milan
    Tunisia
    May 29, 2018
    As a follower of the Tunisian national team I can tell you friendlies don’t mean much, the coach is still trying to figure out the defense, both Portugal goals were when two defensive starter didn’t play so is the the last min goal turkey scored, I’m really pumped, I haven’t seen Tunisia play this good since 78, finally a coach who balanced the team and got away from the defensive mentality every coach insisted on since the 80s
     
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  14. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    England 2 - 1 Nigeria
     
  15. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Pretty good first half, but kinda sat on it in the second. Nigeria came out aggresively in the first five minutes in the second half and got a good goal from Iwobi. It had to be him or Victor Moses. I liked how we played overall and I think we deserved a 3-1 win, but I'll always take any victory possible with England.
     
  16. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Portugal 0 - 0 Belgium
     
  17. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I was goint to watch that, but I guess thank you for saving me the time lol.
     
  18. Naffster

    Naffster New Member

    AC Milan
    Tunisia
    May 29, 2018
    It was actually a pretty entertaining game, Belgium dominated but couldn’t score.
     
  19. Gorando

    Gorando Member

    Anderlecht
    Belgium
    Mar 12, 2008
    Belgium
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I thought it was a very boring game. Both teams didnt create much chances.
     
  20. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I can't see Belgium not taking all three points against Panama, but there's more than a half chance that England and Tunisia could shock them with a point or more if they get their tactics right.
     
  21. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I don't see the arrogance this time around. Actually it hasn't been there for a few years now, so I'm not sure where you're getting this impression(?).

    The good news for England is that expectations are low. The bad news is that they are low for a good reason. They're a bit like Argentina right now: strong up front, weak everywhere else. Except they don't have Messi.
     
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  22. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
  23. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    English 'arrogance' is actually just stereotypical nonsense along with 'the long ball game' and 'it always rains in London!' You can't fight stereotypes! If you want to see 'arrogance' then you should check out the 'Italian' or 'Dutch' forums! In fact if anything the English (in the main) are VERY dismissive when it comes to their national team (me included). Most English are more likely to think of the players as 'overpaid' prima donna's than potential World Cup winners! Just looking at these world cup threads go to show how the English view the World Cup compared to say Spaniards. I think the Premier League is FAR more popular here than any international competitions (including the World Cup), which perhaps isn't surprising considering recent tournaments though it is perhaps a bit 'sad'. Most English fans (me included) think that getting through the group stage is about as good as it will get this year. English youth looks a bit more promising though, trouble is once they hit their late teens the drink gets a hold of them!
     
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  24. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Expectations are low, but they're gonna be high as soon as the buildup to the Tunisia game starts and then Panama. Once people realise we're playing them then they'll assume England should beat those countries... Hypotcrites.
     
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  25. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah we've noticed that and we know they aren't the best in the EPL barring Kane, Sterling and Walker. You could say the same thing about any other country in the World Cup lol, but people love to bombard us England supporters.
     

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