Post-match: USA v Bolivia Post Game

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by tbonepat11, May 28, 2018.

  1. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I don't think he is Kane type of player, but I'd take faster, more skilled McBride. And he is almost there at 18.
     
  2. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    Football (sports) 80% mental 20 % physical. Highlighted more at the top levels
     
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  3. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    What Klinsi said....
     
  4. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    My coaches for both rugby and football used to drill this. Thinkers first. Didnt always resonate though:D
     
  5. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Doyle is a %#^#&× idiot. He is equivalent of an ignorant BS poster. It is sad that our "soccer media" has guys like this that cater to our most naive fans. I feel better getting that off my chest.
     
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  6. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you disagree with his assessment of Parks?
     
  7. RedBaron

    RedBaron Member

    Sep 9, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My intent wasn't to over-exaggerate what playing briefly for a big club with nothing on the line means. What I was responding to was the fact that he's been in PSG's system for several years and has progressed to the point where he got minutes with the first team this year (regardless of whether they are deemed meaningful or not). They've had him under their tutelage for 4+ years; he's steadily progressed through the ranks; and they signed him to a professional deal so if they thought he was a wasted project they ostensibly would have realized it some time ago. I'm not annointing him the savior of our sorry pool of current strikers; I just think regardless of circumstance that a U.S. kid that age getting any first team minutes at a place like PSG is something to be hopeful about.
     
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  8. scoachd1

    scoachd1 Member+

    Jun 2, 2004
    Southern California
    It is pretty obvious he's never going to be a physically dominant top level player. The question for me is instead whether he has enough athleticism at the highest levels needed to keep the half yard of space he's smart enough to initially create. The differences between top level players are at the same time smaller than fans think, yet the differences in athleticism needed to create the small differences are larger than they realize. It is why PDL team can hang with an MLS team in a game, yet even a marginal MLS sub will often physically stand out in a PDL game.

    A lot of people talk about how the game becomes more mental as you go higher up. This is because the game becomes much more athletic, not because athleticism is not critical. Once the physical differences differences are leveled out, at the highest levels, the differences people see mostly come down to mental and technical skill.

    It is not really debatable. Professional players don't suddenly forget how to kick the ball or where to kick it around 30 years of age. Soccer is not like computer programming where veterans have increasingly outdated skills while 18-20 year olds are coming into the workforce armed with experience using the latest and greatest technology. The only technology advantage young soccer players have is the raw athleticism which is especially needed at the edge of the field where there is more space to cover.
     
  9. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    I think if Sargent is 'great' at anything its his IQ and technique. It allows him to create that half yard of space, and have a consistent impact on the games he plays in. He's usually two steps ahead mentally and he has the technique to pull off the moves he sees ahead of time. As far as dominating a game from start to finish, hes a 9...it rarely happens with even the best players at that position.
     
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  10. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn’t he also an ignorant BS poster? I swear I saw him post something on his Twitter account a while ago about how he “can’t quit” this site. As usual, it came off like he was being an arrogant douch who assumed everyone in the world is an idiot but him. I finally stopped following him last week.
     
  11. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not so sure. When I first started coaching I was blessed having a very fast but green team. When we used to beat better teams on the counter, at the end of the game the opposing coach would say to me..."Good, game. You can't teach speed, you got some very fast kids".

    I think is more like 60 mental and 40 physical
     
  12. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    At the top levels its mental. As youth you can get buy with athleticism but everybody at the top is an athlete. At that point It becomes chess on a field.

    Spacial awareness, positioning and angle recognition become crucial to progression at the top levels. Skills that require more thinking. The faster the pace of the game the faster you have to solve the equations.

    The mental does not just kick in on the field. It also includes preparation. An example would be BWP during his time in the Prem in England. He had the tools but he didnt have the mentality.

    Still, even at the top levels you cant teach elite speed.
     
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  13. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
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    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    What do you think of his combinations?
     
  14. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
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    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Well, I agree with you. Prejudices get drummed into the heads of American youth who grow up on UConn type sports like basketball or football. They don't really understand that soccer requires a different skill set. Klinsmann's first comment to America when he took over was that you cant call a time out in soccer to tell you players what they are doing wrong and call the next play. Americans never got the full import of what he was saying.
     
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  15. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    Combination play? Very good.

    Is that one of the 4-5 most important parts of how a striker is evaluated? I'm not sure.
     
  16. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    It depends entirely on whom he has to combine with. Maybe you're judging him on combinations with Akinola and Weah. Why don't we try Sargent with Delgado, McKennie, Carleton, Adams
     
  17. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
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    #342 ussoccer97531, Jun 1, 2018
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    I agree. He's very good in combination play. I also prefer to have technical ability and skill on the field compared to players who mostly only bring athletic contributions.

    You have to start watching Pomykal, if Pareja ever lets him onto the field again. You'll like his style of play. He'll fit in well with that group of players you named. I always say he's the best player from his birth year, better than Adams, better than Gonzalez, etc. Its a shame he's never been let on the field. Tab Ramos had a good quote today in a Brian Sciaretta article.

    http://www.americansoccernow.com/articles/ramos-pleased-with-u-20-progress-as-qualifying-nears

     
  18. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    I remember Eddie Johnson and Marvin Wynne has tons of speed.

    Speed alone is good enough to get you past the U12 level. It won't get you very far at the highest level.
     
  19. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    These kids need to get the hell away from MLS
     
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  20. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    On second viewing...

    Pulisic wasn't as bad as everyone thought. He was pretty good in the first half. I think Holden saying he was tired and not great sticks in people's minds. There were a few times where he was dangerous in transition but I think Sargent confuses him. He is not a CM. He will either do a one touch combo (and he had several nice ones) or dribble. Turning and picking out a pass is not something he does. We need to stop playing him centrally until he starts to do it for Dortmund, if he ever does.

    Having said that, he was not going to be charging into challenges; seems dubious of CONCACAF referees, and was ready to come out at the 60' minute mark.

    OTOH, Rubin outside of that one great play that sent Weah in was extremely wasteful and also totally done at the 60' minute mark, if not the 40' mark. He was less impressive on second viewing. I think he ran himself out in 20 minutes, which is what he does for his club, so makes sense.

    Parks, after he settles in for 5-10 minutes, was very good. Green was also excellent in the middle third.

    Parks and Green didn't seem to understand where Novocavich was going or doing. They both had great outlets to Pulisic on the wing. I think the young strikers were not making runs, throughout the game, that Pulisic and the other players understood. Except Weah, who was found on the run many times.

    I have no doubt Sargent and Novocavich can figure this out with minutes at a decent level.

    EPB was better than you think. Any time Bolivia was at all threatening he was there to clean it up.

    Robinson was just as good on second viewing. Unlike Villafana, he seemed as fresh in the 90' as the first. Lichaj seemed outclassed by his team mates. Corona tried to settle the ball a lot, maybe because the kids were so hyper. He has no outside shot, but is not afraid to show that. I think Green and Delgado did that role better.
     
  21. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    Off topic...

    Matthew Doyle used to be a regular poster here -- and quite insightful, I thought (but then I'm old) -- going under the username Matrim or Matrim55. Something like that. Once he got the gig writing for Major League Soccer soccer, his posting dropped off markedly, which I can understand.

    Another notable writer / poster on the Yanks Abroad beat = BShredder, which tells you how to pronounce his real last name, Brian Sciaretta. He posts great profiles on American Soccer Now site.

    And then we have Dave Marino Nachison (real name and BS username), who turns over rocks internationally to find Yanks Abroad prospects in his free time, but also writes professionally for Barron's.

    Slow clap for all three! You do good work here, and good work there.
     
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  22. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Everyone expected CP to run all over Bolivia like he did against Honduras in March at San Jose.

    Simply put, CP is held to a completely different standards by many here.
     
  23. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Wow...never knew with had/have celebrities on here.

    Would love to see more of their writings on these boards.

    REP you all.
     
  24. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Parks and Green both missed seeing through balls that would have sent Novo in on goal, opting instead to take prayer shots.

    Green, with passes off the dribble, did provide Nova with 2 great chances. One which sent him in 1v1 with the GK was wrongly called offside.
     
  25. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which brings up a good point. Valderrama was slow as molasses but he had the supporting cast to hide his deficiencies. Another example would be Pirlo, Excellent player for Juventus but, once he came to MLS he was exposed for not being physical enough.
     

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