Orange, the rebuild starts now

I know Laurent and I rarely agree but I do agree that we should be taking attacking fullbacks. That's how you counteract having a midfield that lacks creativity (look at Liverpool for example, though they also have arguably the best creative striker in the world in Firmino).

Right now the Netherlands are literally picture perfect in the sense that they should be taking queues from how Liverpool play. The only different being they have the potential for a much stronger central pairing but no real option to play the Firmino role. Fill the midfield with runners, press high up the field, look to create transitions and quick passing to open up counter attacking or incisive opportunities for Promes/Memphis to score.

I'd set up like this to follow that formula:

Diks - de Vrij - van Dijk - Willems
Wijnaldum
van Ginkel - Vilhena
Promes - ??? - Memphis​

To be honest I'm struggling to think of who to put in the middle. It needs to be someone that is creative, not necessarily a goal scorer, and with a high work rate. I would even consider someone like Klaassen or Fer as an unconventional 'false 9' so to speak. Maybe Afellay or Toornstra?

Either way you funnel the play through the wings and fullbacks and look to transition quickly or rotate the ball if the other team is sitting back defensively.

Goodness I really wish Lijnders would do double duty and work for the KNVB. He'd turn this team around quickly I think.

Anyway, kind of a lackluster performance. I'm glad Memphis is back in the fold and I think with him and Promes together we'll continue to improve offensively. It's just finding the link to utilize those two.

 

Cheers bro. You know I still love you

(no homo)

 

Come on now. I apologized

 

I take myogenics very seriously too!!

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Frenkie de Jong summarizes well what in my opinion is one of the reasons Dutch football doesn't produce top players anymore:

Veel jeugdtrainers maken het voetbal veel te moeilijk en halen daarmee de vrijheid uit een speler
Frenkie de Jong
Er volgt een boeiend inkijkje in de huidige problematiek van het Nederlandse voetbal. ‘Ik heb de wijsheid niet in pacht en ben nog maar een jonge speler, maar zie toch wel waar het vaak misgaat. Veel jeugdtrainers maken het voetbal veel te moeilijk en halen daarmee de vrijheid uit een speler. Dat twee keer raken, het kiezen voor zekerheid boven risico. Ik liet me nooit iets aanpraten, deed zoveel mogelijk op intuïtie, maar veel voetballers zitten zo niet in elkaar. Misschien was ik wel overstag gegaan als ik eerder bij Ajax terecht was gekomen. Dan had ik meer concurrentie om me heen gehad, waren trainers wellicht voor een ander gaan kiezen als ik mijn acties bleef maken en niet klakkeloos luisterde. Bij Willem II had ik krediet, omdat ik jaarlijks tot de betere voetballers behoorde. Daardoor ging ik op een bepaalde manier mijn eigen weg. Ik hoop dat meer talenten dat doen. In Nederland is het positiespel heilig, maar volgens mij slaan we door in het positiespel om het positiespel. Balletjes breed, balletjes terug, om maar balbezit te houden. Ik hou van risico, van vooruit voetballen, en wil op een goede manier op avontuur gaan in een wedstrijd. Bij Ajax kan dat en ik merk uit de reacties van de fans dat ze zoiets ook waarderen.’

Source: https://www.vi.nl/pro/overig/frenkie-de-jong-hoop-van-de-toekomst-met-een-eigen-mening

 

Diks is s average defender and his outings in CL has been woeful. His move to feyenoord has exposed his ceiling.Bart Nieuwkoop looks overall better than him. Hateboer also should be looked at.he has broke into starting 11 for Atalanta this season and also has been deplyed as attacking midfield in 3-4-2-1.
Another thing when playing with attacking fullbacks is that you need a very efficient midfield which again is something that NT lacks.when the fullbacks are caught up front the midfield should be able to bail them out.Dumfries is another contender who is up and coming.

 

2016 - Marco van Basten to Hakim Ziyech: "How stupid can you be to choose Morocco if you are in contention for the Dutch national team?”

2017 - Hakim Ziyech helps Morocco reach #Russia2018... The Dutch didn't qualify. pic.twitter.com/ea62wgdwpd

— Joe Crann (@YesWeCrann) November 11, 2017

 

If he has to think about it then I dont want him

 

Morocco heading to the World Cup. I am genuinely happy for the Dutch-Moroccan kids fulfilling their childhood's dream playing in the biggest stage, while at the same time feeling sorry for the Dutch, who have invested heavily in their development.

I think this is likely, for better or worse, the end of the Dutch-Moroccan players' involvement in the Dutch NT for a foreseeable future. I can see future dual-nationality players will opt to represent Morocco for possibly an easier route to the W.C.... although I am skeptical that Morocco's success is sustainable, given their recent history of underachieving and infighting. The counter argument is, of course, that the Netherlands is in a tough rebuilding process in a much more competitive landscape.

Not sure whom the Dutch NT will "lose" next - Oussama Idrissi from the U21?

 

I think dutch people should be fair play. Dutch football is miserably failing and there's no extern reason but dutch football itself. People like DRB who used to praise european intelligence, infrastructures and whatever while looking down at third world ones should just take a look at the miror now. There are at least 3 or 4 african nations that could and would probablyh beat the Netherlands in a knock out game nowadays.

Ziyech was right to chose for Morocco when you see how arab players are being treated in european nations nowadays. Benzema for example. Afellay did a good job with the Netherlands NT but he received very little recognition and even had some people talking bad about him as a person while a player like Wijnaldum who sucks game after game keeps being a starter. and get positive comments about his person. European surely love blacks more than north african muslims nowadays. Kluivert had rape rumours about him but kept going with his nice career, look how Benzema is being treated now.

And to be honest, I don't think african nations have an easier an easier route to the WC than european ones. There are only 5 tickets to take. Ivory Coast is in a crisis period but they are still not inferior to the teams of Czech Republic, Turkey or Bulgaria that beat Holland.

 

Frenkie de Jong vs Andorra:



The future oranje team has to be built around him. It's a shame Keizer prefers Siem over Frenkie atm.

 

Morocco profits from the work of other countries. Out of the 11 starters yesterday, 10 (!) were born and learned football in other countries. As a Peruvian, I would not feel related to players representing my country who couldn't even speak my language properly.

 

Well, I tend to agree, but being Dutch, Cruijff's articulation provides kind of a dilemma...

 

I'm happy some countries are at least profiting from our work, cause Oranje sure isnt

 

Some countries have big diasporas, sometimes even bigger than their own population, how do deal with this ?

 

Benzema is not a martyr of society, he must stop this permanent victimization. Ginola and Cantona, in the past, had the same kind of problem in France team. Benzema is not a victim of racism. In addition, Afellay did nothing extraordinary in the national team.
Young people of Moroccan origin may feel offended from the general climate in Holland with the theories of Wilders or Baudet, and maybe that plays into their choice, I do not know. What is certain is that the national team has lost its power of attraction and I think that the choice of Amrabat is purely opportunistic.
What it would take is to appoint a general manager like the Germans with Oliver Bierhoff.

 

Cantona was giving high kicks on football fields. You can compare him to Evra but not to Benzema.

Benzema is being hated and excluded because of extra sportive reasons where his guiltiness is to be proved yet.

 

These extrasportive cases of which the victim is Valbuena, his former teammate in the France team, fully justifies in my opinion his exclusion. He also said clumsy things about the coach of the France team who is not racist. Have you seen the composition of the France team? Benzema is a spoiled child, overrated as a player. We must stop seeing racism where there is clearly no racism. Benzema has relationship problems with his coach. Basta.