USWNT v Canada, Nov 9 and 12, pre/pbp/post

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by lil_one, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. FawcettFan14

    FawcettFan14 Member+

    Mar 19, 2004
    Colorado
    Short has had enough solid games and is a good enough 1v1 defender to stick around. But she does need to calm down when she has the ball. She panics and turns it over too much.

    Not convinced Taylor Smith is the answer at RB. You can't just take every forward or winger and make them a fullback, as Ellis seems to think.

    I think Christina Gibbons is a candidate for either fullback position. She is good with the ball, is right footed but plays left back more often (sort of like Klingenberg except not so short). She moved to midfield for FCKC out of necessity, but for her NT future I think fullback is her spot.
     
  2. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I recall many almost chances coming after she either turned over or was beat badly or not marking her mark.
     
  3. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All in all, a bad outing by the US. We never did really handle their pressure and Ellis didnt really ever adjust to it.

    We get fooled by playing South Korea or other minnows when they come to town. Against better teams, we don't look so good. Canada came out, and mostly maintained, a high pressure game. We didnt handle that well at all and seemed to have no answer. I think we had 2 serious shots and one went in. It all goes back to Ellis not being able to make adjustments when plan A fails. I do like that she tries more young players. That is critical, ask Arena, but some need a lot more work. Casey Short for one. Nice speed but too many turnovers and seemed beat quite often.

    Way too many long balls over the top for me. Hoping Morgan could get a break...but didnt work. Mewis was poor last night.... turnover machine. Press was invisible

    So we now know what Canada is bringing. Lets see how Ellis adjusts for round 2. Canada is not as deep as us and only has a handful of skilled players. If Ellis can't figure out a plan for their high pressure then she shouldnt be the coach
     
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  4. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #54 Robert Borden, Nov 10, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2017
    I beg to differ, there's actually lots of up and coming talents coming up the ranks. Herdman is not afraid to start teenagers to give them experience so when the next big tournament comes around, they are ready to face the music.

    Contrarily to the men side, the women side in this country at the University level and in Ligue 1 Ontario are very strong and talented

    As we speak, the U Sports Championship is going at University level. From 53 teams across the country, we're down to 8 for the ultimate prize: The Gladys Bean Memorial Trophy







     
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  5. FawcettFan14

    FawcettFan14 Member+

    Mar 19, 2004
    Colorado
    I noticed Herdman did not play any of the new, untested teenagers - Riviere, Grosso and Young. Rose and Fleming are teens but are experienced already, and Huitema has a handful of caps. I think he wanted to play his strongest lineup at home, to have the best chance for a result in front of Canadian fans (they were very close to a win via Meagan Kelly, but for a nice save by Naeher). I bet he gives the youngsters minutes for the away leg.
     
  6. rustysurf83

    rustysurf83 Member

    Dec 30, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Got to say, although I realize it was an away game, my daughters were a bit disappointed when the US players headed straight for the locker room, stopping only near the Canadian Fan Club to sign. They were both able to get autographs from multiple Canadian players including Sinclair. Two soccer crazy girls from Eastern Washington now say they are rooting for Canada when we watch on Sunday...:slow clap: The Canadian players even joked with our youngest about giving them a Morgan jersey to sign and included a few extra “Go Canada!” notes on it.
     
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  7. olelaliga

    olelaliga Member

    Aug 31, 2009

    Yup, there it is...
    Sounds familiar to me.
     
  8. Dundalk24

    Dundalk24 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    PA/OH
    Some players certainly had a poor match. But the biggest advantage Canada had over the US was tactical. The US could learn from the Canadians.

    Most goals in this sport, even at the elite men's level, are the result of opponent turnovers. Either in the box in front of goal or as the result of counterattacks. When the US has been most successful they have always pressured well. Too often now the US pressure is sporadic, not sustained, and not all players are committed to applying it at the same time. Players back away from the opponent in possession of the ball in order to re-position themselves. They are clearly operating within a "structure." If there's any swarming it's usually because the opponent played into a crowd. It's opportunistic low risk pressure. Bend but don't break. This wasn't just last night it's been endemic to the team since last year. I strongly dislike this not only because it's passive but because it's net effects in my view are detrimental in the overall scheme. Obviously a defensive player may back off at times when there are no reinforcements behind and they want to hold up the attack. But generally players need to be able to be aggressive, committed, and unencumbered by rigidity in order to effectively and consistently trouble the opponent.

    Some coaches might believe they're playing the odds or a smart numbers game but ultimately for me it never works in the long run. But I have always been bemused by this tactic in all sports. I've always disliked zone defenses in basketball and I especially loathe prevent defenses in the NFL/college football. Troy Polamalu despised everything about the entire philosophy of prevent defenses and so do I...from the tactics to the attitude.

    It's great that Jill wants to improve the US sophistication. But improving the US technically is not mutually exclusive to applying high pressure against the opponent. The reality is most goals are going to come as the result of turnovers (the Morgan goal resulted from bad clearance) not length of the field surgical dissections. The tools she wants to improve can be put to use more often when the US actually has the ball and is in a position to threaten goal. The biggest part of that is taking the ball away from the opponent.
     
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  9. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    You mean arrogant like when Pia was the US Coach and would jump up and down high-fiving everyone after the USWNT would score a goal and the score is already US-8, Latin American country-0. That was arrogant to me.

    Herdman is OK. The US is so used to beating third world opponents 8-0 so many times that they need games like this and opposing coaches such as Herdman to face. I like that guy.

    The USWNT at times has plenty of arrogance to go around for everyone.
     
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  10. mpr2477

    mpr2477 Member

    Jun 30, 2016
    Club:
    Vancouver MLS
    My sisters both played basketball at TWU. Go Spartans!!
     
  11. rustysurf83

    rustysurf83 Member

    Dec 30, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Huerta needs to play...I don’t get the point of forcing a position change then repeatedly scratching the player. Especially a player that is 24...
     
  12. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Are there any live feeds for this game?
     
  13. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Only two changes from last game: Smith instead of Short and Press instead of Williams.
     
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  14. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe Canada does live streams of most of their matches. This one looks to be here:

     
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  15. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Thank You.
     
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  16. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    United States
    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is helpful.

    Dear Fox,

    Informing me that coverage of the game that you said would start on FS1 at 9 actually starts on FS2 at 9 because you think college basketball is more important doesn't help when I don't have FS2.
     
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  17. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No Mallory Hugh...:(
     
  18. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pugh is still injured.
     
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  19. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    good idea...lol
     
  20. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    O Canada vs O say...Let's have a good game!
     
  21. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was much better pressure in the offensive third to recover the ball than we saw in the last game...keep it up!
     
  22. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    O Canada...

    Another Ertz goal...
     
  23. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GOOOOAAALLL!

    How have people still not learned to mark Ertz on a corner?

    EDIT: I guess she was marked; Ertz just won that battle.
     
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  24. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alex has a very good chance to score, face to face with the goalkeeper ...Wow...Beautiful corner and goal from Rapinoe...US 1 - 0 Canada...
     
  25. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All of US pressure pays off...
     

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