I think this system is the best way for Celico to play his futbol. At least if he plays a back line of 3 with all CB there no way we can end up with a back line of 2. Play our usual full backs as wingers and we can alternate from a line of 3 to 5 to defend then back to 3 to attack and counter. Have two people attack through the middle like Arroyo and Preciado and we could project Ramirez and Tono. What Celico loves to do have a lot of players on attack. Even in today's game he had Arroyo free up space on the wing so Ramirez can go forward. Surprisingly in the first half Tono didn't do that but he likes to project his fullback and have players attack through the middle as well. Arroyo, Preciado and Ramirez were doing that. His line of 4 did exactly what I thought it would do. End up in a line of 2 like he plays in Catholica. He had 2 CB and Tono in that back line after he subbed out Ramirez. A line of 3 that's really a line of 2 cause Tono moves up in the field. This is why we got scored on right after our goal. Your right tho he might not be the Ideal coach to do this with the NT and we don't have all the players to do this but he didn't really have them in El Nacional or even in Catholica really. Since we didnt have much to lose I was interested by the idea but with out Achilles and just two new players in our back line I wouldn't dare. Achilier, Aimar, and Arboleda are a fast back line tho. I would love for Ecuador to play this futbol with Bauza or Sampoli. But again Bauza got sweeped up cause FEF didn't jump on the chance to get him. Def going to watch Saudi Arabia if they make the World cup.
It could have been worse,caught the game at football factory in Manhattan,needless to say our game was the least important,Colombian fans and Peru were representing to fullest.Ecuador had the shiitiest screens,but I thought we came out strong in first half in the crappiest and wet field ,looked like a B team cancha.Ibarra was a stand out,la tuka reminds me of Caicedo,a f ing bull ,we were pressuring Chile but as usual a ******** up in the defense gives up a goal.leaving Noboa out was a mistake IMO,but there's material there.my only consolation is that we won in Argentina,Colombian fans were mostly quiet throughout the game till Falcaos goal,but I knew Paraguay was going to bring it.Can we be Argentinas reaper?Hopefully we go all out and wait till Qatar.
When Celico doing this in the campeonato isn't out of the ordinary because the ecuadorian campeonato isn't so competitive to the point where a line of 3 is crazy. But on the NT, the level of competition vs. the rest of the CONMEBOL will not make you want to play a line of 3. Celico would get an butth*le ripped every now and then EVERY year b/c he attacked TOO much and his teams aren't defensively strong. He somewhat fixed this in the last 2 years. He's more careful defensively now. I don't think the NT has the squad or depth to play this style of futbol. Aimar, Arboleda, Kunti, and Achilier are the fast defenders we have (and also Anderson Ordonez if he ever recovers and gets his playing time- he has lots of potential). Pedro Pablo Velasco can play as a wing back, same with Ramirez....but then who else? Antonio won't be around for long. Yesterday as a right back, Antonio had a pretty horrible game. He messed up in the first goal. Both Chile's goals were because our defenders didn't clear the ball out and bojangled. BOTH, almost the same scenarios. Jacob Murrillo's f*ck up was embarassing. Ecuador had a tie in their hands right now and a small chance to qualify on Tuesday as crazy as it sounds, but that kid screwed it all up. I can say the same about Antonio. That first goal was 100% him and the second one was 100% Jacob Murrillo's fault. Going back to the wing backs, who would you use? There's Velasco, Ramirez, Pineida, and who else? I don't see a single player at the moment that can play that system. I wouldn't trust Renato Ibarra. Center mids...who? Orejuela can play this system and maybe Intriago, but then who else? Cevallos I don't see playing it. Same with Gaibor. And this position is crucial. It's important to have a strong #5 to come back and strengthen the back line. If you remember, Oswaldo Minda played this role in the WC for us in that last game where we had to play line of 3 due to desperate moments trying to win. In all reality, we don't have the material to play this. I don't see it. I'm pretty sure even if someone like Bauza would come, he wouldn't play a line of 3. I think Bauza should be taken into consideration though. It's not his fault Argentina was doing poorly....freaking Sampaoli who just came from doing really great in Sevilla is struggling to lift this Argentina up. Bauza struggled too. Coming into a team in the middle of a cycle and fixing sh*t is not easy. I put Bauza on the list on candidates...yes, I do have a bit of doubts but the number one thing we have to look for in a coach is for someone who wants to defend their prestige and catapult it. Someone who has won sh*t and wants to defend that prestige. Bauza fits that. Guillermo Almada doesn't. Quinteros never did. Jorge Celico doesn't. These guys have nothing to defend. Bauza has won a lot of cups internationally in different countries and he has a reputation to live up to and defend. We need a type of coach that has ambition and doesn't want their reputation to be ruined. This is exactly what Ulises De La Cruz has been mentioning for a while now. We can't be hiring coaches to experiment with. Bring in someone who has a reputation to defend even if it means throwing down more money. In those exact words.
Completely agree with you if we weren't in a desperate moment I would not even mention it. But this whole thing was desperate as f*ck. This is a whole f*ck it scenario we weren't expecting much from all of this anyways. I wasnt thinking about it long term just the 2 games that Celico was going to play as a f*ck it and go all out to try to win. Now its completely pointless other than trying to eliminate Argentina. FEF and Quinteros f*cked up this whole cycle. And last minute just threw Celico in. He has no NT experience no won titles and doesnt know anything else but el campionato and we picked him for mission impossible. Celico didnt give a f*ck if it was CONMEBOL he still played his line of 2 crap like in Catholica. The whole second half was just Arboleda and Aimar back there for the most part until people actually pulled back to defend. Tono is technically supposed to be with them but spent most of his time in midfield trying to go forward. This is exactly what he does in Catholica 2 CB and a full back in his defense and honestly this is all he knows how to do. On top of that going against teams like Chile and Argentina there was no real chance we were going to make it to WC. I wish he would have taken note of when Rueda did that in the WC cause he needs to take lessons from him to learn to defend. If he had done this, this would have been the best way to play his futbol. To go out there and defend like Rueda did but with 3 CB pull WB back and defend with 5 then go on the counter and let your WB go forward. This way he defends properly and attacks the way he like. If we are going to play his futbol might as we do it the best way possible. The way this game went counter attacks could have made the difference and Chile would of had issues defending it. We struggled to attack or bring the ball up but again there was no time to prepare or to get Celico message across to players. To defend and counter would have been the easiest method to play with such little time to prepare and could have done a lot to Chile throw the line up that Celico likes to attack with and this could have been a different game that played to our favor. I know you worried about us getting raped but Celico still going to try to pull his tricks like in Catholica his line of 4 will change to a 3 or 2 eventually and he aims at playing this even when he has 4 in the back. Again we were desperate Banguera; Achilier, Aimar, Arboleda; Valencia, Orejuela, Intriago, Ramirez; Preciado, Arroyo; Ordonez; looks great on paper I still think he should have done this to go all out vs Chile. I dont think Pizzi as a coach took advantage of the little players we had on our defense or the little our team was doing to defend. They could have left with a much bigger score but didn't. Chile had more possession and shot more time at goal.
Well time to organize a new base for the future. Only this time we can build from the back up since we have pretty good young defenders coming up. But we will have to wait a bit more to see some players coming out in midfield and attack.
I think it would've been bad for this new group of players to come into the NT and for Celico to have a f*ck it attitude. It's their first international experience on the NT for some of them. A bad score line and a bad game for some of these players could've ruined their experience and mentally rocked them. Some player's careers and confidence gets destroyed like that (ex. Carlos Gruezo...seemed promising before the WC, but then we put him to start vs. Switzerland and BAM he got a lot of blames for that loss. Has Carlos Gruezo ever been the same since? Hell no! A kid with a lot of potential when he was younger. We burned him when we should've gone with Oswaldo Minda from the start.)....it's also the same reason why you never just throw in a new young player into a qualifier, it's mostly an experience players game UNLESS you EARN your spot and some of these kids didn't earn their spot this time, they just were GIVEN an opportunity because the coach felt the need to refresh the squad. The fact these kids had a decent game is something we should applaud. Celico did fine with how he had our team playing. It's the best we could've done. I don't think it's right to approach a game of this magnitude ever with a f*ck it attitude. In theory we all believed we were already out of the WC which ended up becoming a reality, but if there's still even a small chance like there was yesterday, we gotta go for it and play it smart. And Celico did that, but unfortunately we currently don't have the tools to defeat Chile. Yes, there's kids here with potential, but right now that's all it is: potential. In the future, maybe they'll be at the level to achieve more, but as of now they're not. Either way, they played a great game which should be highlighted on. Who would've thought we would finish a qualifier with Tuca Ordonez and Carlos Garces starting up front? Tuca Ordonez was made fun of on radio shows a year ago in Ecuador when people asked for him to be on the NT (when he played in Fuerza Amarilla). And Garces wasn't in anyones books even as a joke. Intriago? The kid is barely consolidating himself in Liga after a good 2014 season, a decent 2015, and an irregular 2016. Who would've thought he'd jump to NT level and do well. This kid was one of the highlights of yesterdays game. So I'm just saying, Celico did his thing with what he had. We didn't lose this game b/c of any errors he made. Our errors were individual errors with two players, not collective errors or errors related to system of playing. It was just Antonio and Jacob Murillo not clearing the ball out when they had it. That's literally all. Had they done something just as simple as blasting the ball out, even if it was into the stands, then we would've even won. That's as simple as I can leave it. Chile didn't exactly run us over. It was a pretty even game if you ask me. Despite them having more shots on goal, we weren't in severe danger many times during this game. P.S. something I smelled coming, but I hear Antonio is going to bid his farewell to the NT "porque quiere dar paso a la juventud". So be on the look out for that one.
If we win la libertadores I could care less if we don't t go to the WC. Whoever is in charge of FEF needs to go too. Quinteros needed to be replaced over a year ago and they failed to get rid of him.
Alright maybe not a f*ck it attitude but we should have risked more to leave with a win since that was the one and only chance. This is what ecuagol and futbolecuador have for our line up. Máximo Banguera; Andrés López, Robert Arboleda, Darío Aimar y Cristian Ramírez; Alfredo Intriago, Jefferson Orejuela, Renato Ibarra y Romario Ibarra; Enner Valencia y Roberto Ordóñez Celico is going to bench Tono!?!?! Argentina is going to go all out this game Sergio Romero; Gabriel Mercado, Javier Mascherano y Nicolás Otamendi; Eduardo Salvio, Enzo Pérez, Lucas Biglia y Marcos Acuña; Lionel Messi, Darío Benedetto y Ángel Di María. What do you think about Sampaoli doing this. Will his players be prepared to attack in altitude or will they tire out around the second half.
We might not go to the WC but a lot of eyes will be watching this game. This game will be remembered if we keep them from reaching the World Cup. http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/20160...exico-eliminatorias-sudamericanas-futbol.html
Renato Ibarra: there is a reason you play in Mexico, because you suck. All speed but no brains. What an idiot.
Okay. So. Cevallos is definitely not NT type. Has disappeared the whole half, even before his injury (was he injured or he just sucked?). Renato Ibarra is just dumb af and only runs forward, he doesn’t know how to control the ball. Aimar shouldn’t even be called to the NT. Dude is a piece of crap and is at fault for both goals. The other pieces are okay and at least doing something.