NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    Inevitable that the d3 void gets filled
     
  3. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Peter gives numbers!


    So he thinks he can get 10 teams by next year that can sell 3,000-5,000 tickets (maybe not right off, but having that potential). The NASL is having trouble getting teams that sell 5,000 tickets.

    But part of it makes sense. An East Coast/Midwest league split into two divisions should keep costs down. He says that travel differences account for only 2-3% in differences in budgets, but that must be assuming different kind of bus travel, not bus vs. plane.
     
  4. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I wonder if Chicago might be an NISA team instead of an NASL one. I would assume there are a number of venues that could sit 3k.
     
  5. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Throw out the pro-rel hype and its not crazy. There always seemed to me two reasonable ways to develop a league from scratch. A national league with a big splash at the start, which requires a lot of central coordination and control - the MLS way. The other alternative was to be small and very regional and let it grow over time. This way the need for centralization is less. Of course, it would likely take a long time to grow to sufficient size, and it might never get there (which is why MLS didn't go that route) but it makes more sense then being caught in-between; a league with regional finances trying to compete in a national market.
     
  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
  8. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair to Zest, Yan is just the commish, not their owner.
     
  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the only place that Yan deserves to be is behind bars
     
  10. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Glad to see this thread is clean, anyway.





    *****fully clean
     
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  11. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Wow that was unexpected.

    And now we have competing leagues on both 2nd and 3rd levels.
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    The more attempts to start teams, with some sort of standards....the better.

    Many won't stick, but hopefully quite a few will. Between this and the USL D3 project there may be some hope with regards to filling in the soccer map across the country.....in some sort of rational form. Even if one league goes belly up there will be a place for the well run clubs.
     
  13. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  14. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I won't disagree with you there. And frankly even tangentially I'm not happy to see him sticking his nose yet again into the San Diego soccer scene. That said, if these guys are pro, they're thus far the only pro game in town.
     
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  15. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    That is a surprise. I'm hesitant to say that NISA could work. But Peter Wilt has a good reputation in soccer so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Either competition lifts both D3 boats in the future or we will be using 'internecine' in a sentence. Then we will see that the ASL become the king of D3! ;)

    Just make sure it's "Done Right!" (all respect to Kenn)
     
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  16. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering what is going on in the NASL in the last few months, this doesn't bode well.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't quite know what the best place is for this thread, but I wonder if the NASL forum is it.
     
  18. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Theres really no neutral forum for it (yet) and they are apparently very friendly to both NPSL and the NASL.

    My gut says at this point its a NASL friendly league, but adversarial to USL, hence why its here.
     
  19. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The article/interview posted by the OP certainly makes it sound like this league is intended to align with the NASL.

    There are a lot of questions to be answered. With zero teams currently finalized with nine months to go, it is easy to see NISA missing the spring 2018 launch date. There would be a ton of legwork to do even if they announced their 8-10 teams today.

    The USL's D3 league is also still highly conceptual, though they have given themselves until 2019. NISA feels like an attempt to rush to the D3 scene to try to beat USL to the punch and establish themselves first.

    To be honest, it feels rushed and a little bit desperate. But the future of D3 is still very much up in the air. I think we'll get a better feel for how the situation is going to play out based on the groundwork that each league is able to lay over the next 6-9 months.
     
  20. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    Their ownership model seems more similar to the nasl so that could be the origin of their friendliness

    Glad they have a business model for owners to consider or adopt and this might help stabilize the membership
     
  21. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or, you know, it could be Peter himself, who ran one NASL team, was almost the commissioner at one point and is running what amounts to a temp agency that got Orange County (and presumably San Diegosomething) hired.

    Note they directly say they have no agreement with anyone to do pro/rel. And the NASL would have to actually exist by the time the NISA magically comes up with its 24th team.
     
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  22. artml

    artml Member

    Liverpool FC
    Ukraine
    Jul 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No trolling, asking seriously. What happens if NASL does not get D2 sanctioning for 2018? Will they co-exist as D3 leagues with NISA?
     
  23. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the NASL teams that don't go to the USL to stay in D2 will go to this league IF they want to keep going. I could see Miami, PR and probably the Cosmos go here and this league then begins to start the process in becoming a viable D2 instead of feeding team to the NASL. Just a gut feeling.
     
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  24. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I think this would be a good test of the startup league.

    People make far too much about the differences between div 3 and div 2 (or even div 1). What matters is the business model. If Wilt's league has teams selling between 3k and 5k tickets, that's mostly what the NASL is now anyway. The difference, from the sound of it, is that one league is designed to be national and one regional. If that's the case, the NISA should not accept Puerto Rico (or Edmonton, or San Francisco). It goes against their strategic plan.

    I'd love to hear the story about why this happened so fast. I get the feeling that Chicago to the NASL wasn't going to work, so if Peter was going to stay involved, he pretty much would have to build his own league.
     
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  25. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You may be on to something there, Wilt said that he'd probably be the commish of this league. He also said that Chicago NASL needs to be done right and if it can't be then he wont do it at all.I think its not happening and he's focusing on something that could help the NASL in the long term but I'm not certain the NASL will be around when this league gets to that point.
     

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