Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. dredgfan

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    Because we eat empty nutrition meals by the shopping cart
     
  2. dapip

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    If these numbers are true, we have the pettiest oligarchy in the history of humanity. Well second, we can eat cake...

    http://www.vox.com/2016/12/15/13967842/obamacare-tax-cut-wealthy

    TPC estimates that the top 1 percent of earners would get an average tax cut of $33,000 if Obamacare is repealed — and those in the top 0.1 percent would get an average tax cut of $197,000.

    /quote
     
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  3. ceezmad

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    The ACA had tax increases?
     
  4. dapip

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  5. VFish

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    And the middle class.
     
  6. American Brummie

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    This is, of course, 100% false. 100%.
     
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  7. dapip

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    Off course, middle income is $200,000 to $250,00...
     
  8. Gamecock14

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    It's kind of interesting to see who is supporting repeal vs modify.

    The people pushing repeal are businesses and insurance companies.

    The people pushing modify are physicians (particularly primary care and emergency), hospital groups, and patient advocates.
     
  9. MatthausSammer

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    That makes sense; the people who push repeal are the people who bear the costs and the people who want to keep are the people who benefit.
     
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  10. rslfanboy

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    Kind of.

    The way our political discourse is these days, some who bear the costs have tricked many who benefit into railing against the law because it was a "win" for the "other team." Can't have that. "Cutting off the nose to spite the face" kind of thing.
     
  11. MatthausSammer

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    This presumes that voters should be motivated primarily by self-interest. I generally disagree with that sentiment.
     
  12. VFish

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    No, middle class is 4 times the poverty level. It is those people that can't afford Obamacare and decide they would rather pay the ACA tax.
     
  13. VFish

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    Is the penalty not a tax? Funny, because the Supreme Court says it was a tax. And who pays the penalty... er the tax?
     
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  14. American Brummie

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    That's because you have not read Federalist #10, where Madison says factions should be made to compete with each other, and self interest checks self interest.

    By the way, I am on your side - I wish altruism governed and not other factors.
     
  15. American Brummie

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    If you are midde class and buy insurance, you get subsidies to offset the costs of buying. Or you get the Medicaid expansion. Only if you deliberately refused these things could you be taxed.
     
  16. American Brummie

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    As I have shown already, the tax is more expensive than the insurance.
     
  17. VFish

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    If you are middle class you get NO subsidies. I don't know what world you live in but here in the real world people are electing to pay the tax rather than buy exorbitant premiums with deductibles so high they still can't go to doctor.

    As I said when you passed this POS, people are going to quickly find out that having access to health insurance isn't the same as having access to health care.
     
  18. VFish

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    You are not only stupid, you are insane.
     
  19. American Brummie

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    The law's been fully operating for three years now. How much longer ought we wait?

    Again, not true.

    The upper subsidy threshold is a family making $97,200.

    Are you going to say $98,000/year is still middle class? Because if so, I have a bridge in New Jersey to sell you.

    @MatthausSammer , meet the intellectual rigor of the conservative half of the country. This is why there are no positive policies or ideas from the Republican party.
     
  20. VFish

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    I do think $97,200 is middle class, certainly for a family of four. And you do realize the subsidies are not static, but they decrease as your income goes up, right?

    I have talked to too many of my friends that don't think the Affordable Care Act is very affordable.
     
  21. VFish

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    @MatthausSammer , meet the intellectual rigor of the conservative half of the country. This is why there are no positive policies or ideas from the Republican party.[/QUOTE]Matty, I can't speak for the Republican party, nor do I pretend to, but I can say Brummie's ideas are not only silly, they can be dangerous.
     
  22. American Brummie

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    $100k a year is NOT middle class. It's upper class. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

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    Less than 2% of American households make $100k - only 44% of households report incomes higher than $100k. That's decidedly lower than

    Individually, less than 10% of American citizens report >$100k in income.

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    If they're middle class, EVERYONE is middle class.
     
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  23. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody who votes for Republicans ever gets to call anyone else dangerous. You owe the American public 5,500 US soldiers, the world 1 million Iraqis. Don't ever do that again.
     
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  24. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Again, you are stupid and insane.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, you have really, really gotten salty.

    Apparently someone is arguing that $100K is middle class. Reminds me of Fred Heineman's claim to fame.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Heineman
    "He came under fire when he claimed that despite making a combined $183,000 from his NYPD and Raleigh pensions and his congressional salary, he was part of the "lower middle class." He further argued that anyone making between $300,000 and $750,000 was a member of the middle class.[4]"

    And that was in 1995 dollars.
     

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