5 top wnt players accuse ussf of wage discrimination

It would seem that the Senators are barking up the wrong tree and possibly abusing their authority, should they carry it further.

 

In terms of asking for information, holding hearings, and so on, there's virtually no way congress people can abuse their authority. Perhaps unfortunately.

 

I see absolutely no scenario in which the good senators will be satisfied with what SUM tells them.

 

I know that technically speaking. But the subpoena power of Congress as it concerns private business that has not violated any laws can be "abused" from the perspective of a reasonable person.

 

Another reason why the whole affair appears to edge up toward abuse.

 

No one has used Congress' subpoena power in this case. So if you're citing that as what's being abused, you're way off base.

I suggest you lay off on charges of abuse. Say you don't like them asking for information, if you don't, but calling it abuse cheapens discussion when real abuse occurs.

 

No, but subpoena is the next logical step. And being a powerful entity "suggesting" an immediate response regarding something that isn't their business to know has parallels with mafia tactics and it absolutely can be considered harrassment were it another private entity asking for SUM's books, nudge, nudge.

 

Pinoe and Morgan not getting called in. And, yet ...... they still get paid.

That "we don't get paid if we lose" thing was such B.S. They're on salary. They get paid, win, lose, draw, or not called in.

 

What exactly will they get from SUM that USSF will not provide? Wouldn't the normal process be to get this information at the trial? Isn't it irregular for Congress to interfere in a trial? After more consideration I am seeing abuse here.

 

A subpoena is not the next logical step. Congressional subpoenas are relatively rare and reserved for "big deal" situations. Further, this is two Senators asking for the information. Individual Senators cannot issue subpoenas. Only Committees can issue subpoenas.

Further, if the issue is equal pay, for which there are federal laws, it most definitely is within the realm of reasonable Congressional investigation to want information about income generated by the men and the women as compared to compensation paid to the men and the women. Whether the information would suggest the need for additional legislation or not, getting the information needed to answer that question is most definitely "their business."

 

The normal process for those in Congress who want information to determine whether there's a need for Congressional action is to ask for it. They don't wait for some third party to conduct a trial.

 

There is a trial. That is taken care of by the Judicial Branch of government. That's hardly a third party. Is it normal for Congress to open a second front of attack (so to speak)?

Anyway, I can see SUM denying this request because of the trial.

 

So, what, they're just rattling SUM's cage just 'cuz?

So Congress can bypass both other branches (which one would ordinarily appeal to in questions of violation of statute) in such a fact-finding "investigation" because...why?

So this is common, where some Senators ask a private business to open their books because they might need to determine whether they later need to take legislative action?

Neat!

 

It is not in the slightest unusual for Congresspeople to ask for information, notwithstanding that a lawsuit is pending.

SUM might deny the request, or might stall, or might offer some information and not other information. Assuming information SUM has will be produced during discovery in the lawsuit, there might not be a good reason for them to withhold significant information from the Senators' inquiry.

This is apart for the question whether one likes or doesn't like Congress people throwing their weight around. They do it all the time, sometimes with justification and sometimes not. In this particular case, I don't have a problem. Many here at BS have complained that SUM is too opaque. Especially given the history of corruption in world soccer, having Congress people probe around doesn't upset me.

 

This thread seems to be the closest one to a CBA thread, so I'll put this info here:

Not sure if this is out there, but USWNT players set to hold labor talks with US Soccer in NYC on October 26 & November 1. CBA ends Dec 31.

— Subscribe to GrantWahl.com (@GrantWahl) October 23, 2016

 

Maybe the USSF will let the agreement expire.

 

It sure will be interesting to see what happens with the CBA. EVERYTHING is in turmoil currently, not the least U. S. soccer. There were certainly some flaws in the last one; but support for NWSL is key. . . . . . . . . . . .

 

Meanwhile, what's the current list of players looking to play elsewhere (perhaps in addition to the NWSL schedule)?

 

Some things need to be shrouded in secrecy out of fairness to the process.

(Granted, I'm not sure why the schedule is one of them.)

 

I think we are getting to the point where the USWNT does not need the "stars" to draw fans.

They are doing just fine drawing fans without Wambach or Solo anymore, without Morgan or Lloyd on a regular basis.
Fans seem to be accepting the "new kids" into the fold and wanting their autographs, etc. So the notion of "I'm popular, kids and soccer dads come to see me, so give me rich long contract", can be thrown out the door.

Start paying women's players per game, just like the men. That way the pool will always be big and USWNT coaches will have the flexibility they need to bring in players they want at any given time.

 

This would be fine with me, so long as they pay them enough more than the men to balance out the pay differential between what the men can make from club teams and what the women can make. Given that the USSF and the NWSL work together, and that the NWSL has a very restrictive salary cap, this would seem fair.

 

Are you seriously contending that one employer is responsible to make up the pay gap for what people can earn from another employer? You are barking up the wrong tree, why don't you go at the NWSL to pay the players better, that is not USSF's responsibility.

 

That seems.. Entirely inappropriate.. Pay the USWNT players as much as the USMNT players are paid? I think an argument could be made for that, but paying them as much as the USMNT and what their clubs pay them? Yeah.. Not so much. I'd much rather USSF do away with guaranteed NWSL salaries for USWNT and just give NWSL teams that money as a lump sum and allow them to use it as they see fit. While it might end up causing USWNT players to seek employment in other countries, I think that would actually be a good thing in the long run for the USWNT.

 

of the five: Solo (kicked off team) Lloyd (getting married) Rapinoe (recovering, not on team right now) Morgan (not called up to one camp, not starting) Kling (not called up, injured)

Becky - called into all camps, captain.

 

The plot thickens...

http://equalizersoccer.com/2016/11/18/uswnt-to-discuss-labor-fight-on-60-minutes/