The KFA Reformation

Yeah i was referring to what i'm seeing this year.

 

With all due respect, most if not all the people responding to you are saying multiple cameras/better presentation on TV isn't the only thing to address or fix to improve both attendance and TV/streaming viewership - Just unsolicited advice, but this might not be the hill you want to die on, you feel me? You had some valid points to make earlier about trying to incorporate what the KBO has done to make the experience for attendees great, there's a more constructive dialogue in that direction.

I have to agree with most people on this thread that already pointed out that watching K-League on screen (the only way I can here in the US) is very much a diminished experience due to poor production values - regardless of whether a stadium is visibly full or not (actually I've watched a #of games that had decent attendances, the Pohang Steelers v Sangju Sangmu game looked over 2/3 full, not too shabby for the the steelyard). I think to myself, the action on pitch isn't bad but this is a dismal televised presentation for all the reasons people cited earlier (like lack of replays, multiple angles etc), compared to what the US network NBC is doing with splashy graphics- just spot on production values. NBC is not counting on EPL viewership to overtake NFL attendance, but what they have is a long game approach -the ratings are consistently increasing every season since they outbid the shabbier Fox Soccer Channel about 4 years ago. That time and effort to the detail is paying off. And all this w/out the benefit of Americans going every Sat to White Hart Lane to see Spurs take on LFC. And not every EPL game on pitch is scintillating, but speaking purely from the POV over in the US, the production value on exhibit for a public that is not yet there with jumping on board completely is getting more savvy to soccer thanks in part to what the network is doing week in and week out. As it stands, it's great enough to sustain interest from, say the average US channel-flipper - thus we're seeing higher ratings for both the EPL and the shoddier but steadily improving MLS. We can agree to disagree, but TV production values imho is one of the components that's fairly easy for the K-League and networks to adjust and improve upon. It's one of many areas for K-League to tweak.

It's probably been mentioned already (or maybe not, I've just glanced thru this thread) but MLS, as imperfect as it is, has benefited tremendously by ditching enormous NFL stadiums over a decade ago and building smaller, sleeker and more appropriately capacity sized stadiums. Easier to fill, atmosphere improved, MLS is building it's brand and seeing a better future ahead (tho they really need relegation/promotion -another topic for another day). By staying with cavernous World Cup stadiums in Korea, which K-League usually struggle to fill for past couple of years, that's a huge factor that takes away from providing a good atmosphere for people to want to come back to. The KBO stadiums like Jamsil baseball stadium in contrast has a capacity size of only 26,000. That's easier to fill, when full = better atmosphere and provides fan participation (or fan distraction - choose yr interpretation). I'd only argue that all this about food and half naked women at KBO games - sure it works for them and the stadium r full -but are people really watching and engaged in the match? I think b/w what the JLeague did from stadium design to building an organically grown support culture as well as the MLS model similarly - both might be better templates for the K-League to delve into. Someone mentioned blue collar support for football - Dortmund's BVB and other towns in Europe has a historic link to it's blue collar manufacturing base. Soccer rose up from the working class in Europe (why Manchester is a footballing power) and I think whoever earlier on the thread mentioned bringing in the companies and their families to the games - I second that - it's a really neat idea to pursue. Ok, I gots to go back to work. Peace out yall.

 

This is not directly related to Korean football but still worth mentioning.

As some of you probably know, I follow the primera division (Argentina) and their matches are all free to air, without a pay per view system. But has been proposed to create a premium section with more cameras, better quality etc...while the matches will be still free to air with basic cameras. If you want to see a Boca vs River with higher quality and camera work, then you have to pay.

 

until union guys show up

 

No. Cameras are on the bottom of the priority list of discussion points. If there is a million things that the league can improve on, camera angles would be say, the millionth action item.

And again, my question is: Are K-League's camera angles really poorer than La Liga? Or is it your mind. Is it a nice to have or is it a necessity. You all sound like a bunch of btches that can't get what you want. And if you want a constructive argument, you are more than welcome to analyze La Liga's camera angles versus the K-League's. I am more than game to have a valid debate, rather than some subjective reasoning.

BRO. It's bad. Don't fool yourself. And you've just answered your own question. The camera seems bad because the action is bad.

How the fck does the K-League tweak camera angles? Take it up to the broadcasting stations. What does CAMERA ANGLES have anything to do with the KFA or the K-League Assoc?

But that point aside, I've previously stated: A correlation between presentation and increase in attendance only applies when there is demand. Where there is negative demand, excessive exposure has a negative effect and opens it up for ridicule. And we are in agreement that there is no demand in Korea, correct? So why do you clowns keep dropping US networks as examples? So where is my rebuttal?

And so has the K-League. Incheon as an example. Still has the lowest attendance rates. Jeonnam and Pohang has the adequate stadiums and was built YEARS before anything in America. And your point is invalid.

So why does the K-League fail to fill their "cavernous" stadiums? Because of camera angles?

This is a different argument than camera angles. Are you saying that stadium utilization has bigger impact on attracting more people in the stadiums? Then I am inclined to agree.

Does it matter? Do Americans actually watch baseball at a MLS match or are they busy standing in line for some stadium nachos.

So let me get this straight. J-League and MLS have more successful leagues than the K-League. Ok, I agree with that. But you've been arguing motha fcking camera angles. So logically, MLS and J-League have better camera angles?

Yea, but Korea isn't Europe. What does a blue collar fan base have anything to do with Korea? I thought Korea's blue collars were too busy putting on candle light demonstrations instead of going to soccer games. You see my point?

 

Yea good point - but nobody is from Ulsan. Ulsan was a non-existent city merely 40+years ago. Nobody gives a flying fck about Ulsan. Which brings me to a different point - hometown support means NOTHING in Korea.

 

So why can't we do this? Sounds like a reasonable revenue stream.






But will Koreans pay? Are camera angles really that much of a game changer for Koreans to open up their wallets? I don't think so. If you're telling me that Koreans are willing to pay, then I will admit cameras are important.

 

The union guys aren't in Ulsan. They're trying to march into the Blue House. But when the police show up, they act confused. LOL.

 

Yes. So more buzz words like target demographics. This is much more of a meaningful marketing conversation than cameras. But in reality, the target demographic should be women in the mid 20's, like anything else in the country.

 

And I see the rest of your refutations is looking rather groundhog day-ish -it is what it is but I'm outta time, will be awhile before I can return. enjoy the reformation topic thread and for more unsolicited advice: I encourage you to be constructive when conversing about in BSK. Many can or could get behind what you say on some of your reformation points, but you're spending way too much time & capital on the camera angle thing. Let's move on from that man: I hope this can be the final verdict: cameras /multiple angles - most think it is important to improving image and marketing of K-League around the world. AC doesn't. Done, move on. If you keep carrying on -that'll be a shame b/c that can really suck the oxygen out of what is an important topic. if you think that's an attack on you, relax - it's not. Give and take, that's all i'm saying. Peace.

 

And everyone else is wrong. You can't market a product with the sexiest camera angles when there's only 300 people at the stadium.


Bye.

 

I'm surprised people say soccer's not very popular in Korea. During elementary school there were a lot of Koreans and they were almost all obsessed with soccer. I remember they would want to play games of Koreans vs. everyone else and they would usually win!

 

I would love to see some match in Seoul more than any stadium in korea.

 

Probably plastic band-wagoners reacting to 2002 WC.

Edit: I understand many supporters start out as "plastics". No intention to ostracize people.

 

I wonder how many of them are still following the KNT after 2002. I mean koreans, not foreigners.

 

A great majority follow KNT during the summer every 4 years tho....

 

Thinking is always easter.

 

They would have only been four in 2002. But they did know about the semifinal run. Some of them moved back to Korea (Anyang) and I tried to message them on Facebook asking what it was like there during the World Cup in 2014, but I didn't get a response. Maybe it was too depressing due to the performance.

 

Hey I just came back to see if there's any progress to this "reform discussion".

Seems like there isn't any. Just more name calling and stupidity displayed by this guy.

Trust me, when they offer better content on tv (the most powerful form of media in Korea), there will be more crowd in the stands.

As for you amoeba, are you on Twitter? I would love to discuss more with you there as i hardly use this forum.

I disagree with everything you had to say about this topic, but I won't stoop down to your level and call someone a gook or whatever.

I just think that you're misunderstood and frustrated. Find me on Twitter! My handle is @6thofjun

 

No I don't post here (I only posted because someone kindly asked to share our thoughts on Twitter)