Is England a "World Power" in Soccer?

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Is England Powerhouse in International Soccer?

Poll closed Apr 11, 2013.
  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
    27.5%
  2. No

    26 vote(s)
    65.0%
  3. Maybe

    4 vote(s)
    10.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    No, but a lot of teams e.g. Portugal, France, Italy, Holland have really gone down a few levels from "world power status".
     
  2. Richard Benson

    Richard Benson New Member

    Nov 14, 2014
    Maryland,FL
    Club:
    North. Virginia
    Why multiple votes are allowed this seems impact of voting at one side ..
     
  3. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Portugal was never a "world power", although the past dozen years they have been a strong dark horse contender (lately they have lost that status as C Ronaldo has failed at two consecutive World Cups).

    Netherlands have not lost that status by any means, they were finalists at WC10 and reached the semifinals of WC14 going undefeated in the process.

    France had a miserable WC10 but have rebounded during Euro12 and WC14. They are a young team for the most part and look ready to regain their elite status.

    Italy indeed has lost a lot of their luster in the past two WCs, they should really be worried about the state of their NT. It could be that Spain takes their place in the hierarchy.
     
  4. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    France hardly rebounded at Euro 2012 - they won one game. Italy have had 2 bad WCs in a row but they reached the final of the Euros so. And looking at Hollands current squad, they were lucky to get as far as they did in the WC, had a disastrous Euros and since the world cup have been awful.
     
  5. TheCoachingJourney

    TheCoachingJourney New Member

    Apr 12, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Soccernomics presents the argument that England actually do as well if not better than they should given resources, population etc
     
  6. ChopperNZ

    ChopperNZ New Member

    Apr 13, 2015
    Club:
    Wellington Phoenix
    No way, they've got a long way to go before they're considered a power.
     
  7. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Absolute BS. I wonder what "Soccernomics" makes of Costa Rica then.
     
  8. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    In 1966 they were....
     
  9. jvgnj

    jvgnj Member

    Apr 22, 2015
    Recent international competition would suggest no
     
  10. gwendolynhampton

    gwendolynhampton New Member

    Jun 15, 2015
    USA
    Club:
    2 de Mayo
    Three Lions being work together
     
  11. Jenny Thoms

    Jenny Thoms New Member

    Jul 2, 2015
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Real Madrid is powerhouse in International Soccer.
     
  12. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    England's women's team could be considered a 'world power'...:D
     
  13. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It really depends on how you measure it.

    The weird thing about England is their consistency, being at a level just below the strongest sides.

    For example, taking tournaments over the last 30 years, only two European countries (Germany and Holland) have made the last 8 of tournaments more than England.

    Germany have 12, Holland 10, while England's 9 puts them level with Spain and France.

    QFs
    12: Germany
    10: Holland
    9: England, Spain, France
    8: Italy
    6: Portugal
    4: Czech Republic, Denmark
    3: Sweden, Croatia, Turkey, Russia/USSR
    2: Belgium, Yugoslavia, Ireland, Romania, Greece
    1: Bulgaria, Scotland

    In semi finals though, England are joint 11th, winning just 2 of those quarter finals.

    SFs
    11: Germany
    7: Holland
    6: Italy
    5: France
    4: Portugal
    3: Spain
    2: England, Sweden, Turkey, Russia/USSR, Czech Republic
    1: Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Greece
     
  14. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    No, theyre not and havent been for many many years.
     
  15. mrtandy

    mrtandy Member

    Oxford United
    England
    Mar 12, 2003
    Banbury,Oxfordshire.
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well at least the Women's team are getting there.
     
  16. CoJo_93

    CoJo_93 New Member

    Jul 11, 2015
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Not anymore.
     
  17. Lusitania14

    Lusitania14 Member

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    England are a top 8 team.

    If you consider this to be a "world power" than yes.
     
  18. england66

    england66 Member+

    Jan 6, 2004
    dallas, texas
    ...There are 209 FIFA members....so top 15/20 should be considered 'World Power'....
     
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  19. El Chuma

    El Chuma BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 17, 2005
    San Diego
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are always in the mix so yea
     
  20. Benando_NFFC

    Benando_NFFC Member

    Jul 19, 2015
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    And I think that's a key point.

    It depends how you define powerhouse? If it's winning things then no - but by that logic few teams can be considered powerhouses.

    But if it's flipped to a powerhouse being an international team who 9 times out of 10 will get to a tournament then absolutely yes.

    Where England have struggled for years is getting results against the very best nations. As soon as we play them at a tournament, we go out. You have to go back to 2002 when we beat Argentina as the last time we've got a result against a better side.
     
  21. Boavista1976

    Boavista1976 BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 10, 2016
    In Europe, historically (over-all success)..... England rank 14th

    Germany 1st (3) / 2nd (3) / 3dr, 4th (3) = 9
    Spain 1st (3) / 2nd (1) = 4
    France 1st (2) / 2nd (1) / 3rd, 4th (2) = 5
    Russia/USSR 1st (1) / 2nd (3) / 3rd, 4th (2) = 6
    Italy 1st (1) / 2nd (2) / 3rd, 4th (2) = 5
    Portugal 1st (1) / 2nd (1) / 3rd, 4th (3) = 5
    Czech 1st (1) / 2nd (1) / 3rd, 4th (3) - 5
    Holland 1st (1) / 2nd (0) / 3rd, 4th (4) = 5
    Denmark 1st (1) / 2nd (0) / 3rd, 4th (2) = 3
    Greece 1st (1) = 1
    Yugoslavia 1st (0) / 2nd (2) / 3rd, 4th (1) = 3
    Belgium 1st (0) / 2nd (1) / 3rd, 4th (1) = 2
    Hungary 1st (0) / 2nd (0) / 3rd, 4th (2) = 2
    England 1st (0) / 2nd (0) / 3rd, 4th (2) = 2
    Sweden 1st (0) / 2nd (0) / 3rd, 4th (1) = 1
    Turkey 1st (0) / 2nd (0) / 3rd, 4th (1) = 1
    Wales 1st (0) / 2nd (0) / 3rd, 4th (1) = 1

    WC in terms of top 3 finishes:

    Germany - 12 (4 cups)
    Brazil = 9 (5 cups)
    Italy = 7 (4 cups)
    Argentina = 5 (2 cups)
    France = 4 (1 cup)
    Holland = 4 (0 cups)
    Sweden = 3 (0 cups)
    Uruguay = 2 (2 cups)
    Czech = 2 (0 cups)
    Hungary = 2 (0 cups)
    Poland = 2 (0 cups)
    Spain = 1 (1 cup)
    England = 1 (1 cup)
    Portugal = 1 (0 cups)
    Austria = 1 (0 cups)
    Chile 1 (0 cups)
    Croatia 1 (0 cups)
    Turkey 1 (0 cups)
    USA 1 (0 cups)

    Historically, I consider Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina "world powers".
    Tiers at different levels below those 4.
     
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  22. 764dak

    764dak Member

    Sep 7, 2012
    Club:
    US Città di Palermo
    USA and Mexico did better than England, Portugal and Italy over the last two World Cups...
     
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  23. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    This here says it all, England is not even a top nation in their own continent.
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    [tinfoil hat] Potentially a contributing reason as to why England can reach a certain stage consistently (QF) but not beyond. [tinfoil hat]
     
  25. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn't matter that the US and Mexico did better than those countries, especially in the US's case. We're stupid Americans who couldn't possibly understand what "football" is and must be talked down to at every opportunity the average European has.
     
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