If a defender runs around the box with his hand stretched over his head the while game and eventually the ball hits it, is it a penalty? He didn't "deliberately" handle the ball (that's just his odd choice of defensive positioning) but you can't really argue that it wasn't a penalty in that situation can you?
He deliberately put his arms up BEFORE the ball was directed towards them. Ask yourself what the purpose of putting both hands up in the air.
I can't believe there is actually a debate about the PK. 100% PK. Everyone understands that it is a PK. Look at the reaction of the German players. They are all looking at Boateng. "What are you doing?" Would have been an absolute scandal if not given.
This really isn't hard. He put his arms up in the air, like defenders (stupidly) do all the time to try to show the referee they aren't fouling their opponent when they are right behind them (and probably actually slightly fouling their opponent regardless). It's the "hey, I'm not pushing this guy" move. Unfortunately for Boateng, the ball then deflected right up into the arm. It's deliberate handling. It's a PK. It's easy. I just logged on to look at this thread and find it insane that there's any question over this. Also can't believe a bunch of referees don't immediately recognize why his arms were in the air. People need to start paying attention more to this sort of thing and less to the mechanics of the coin flip for KFTM. You'll be a better referee if you do.
So if the ball deflected up into his arm, and he had zero reaction time, how did he "deliberately handle the ball"? Every single time players jump to contest a ball in the air, their arms are outside the frame of their body and in a position where the ball could conceivably hit them....it's simply not physically possible to jump in the air without your arms being all akimbo. It used to be that the rule was that a player had to move his hand/arm into the path of the ball for it to be an infraction. Now it's anytime the ball hits the hand/arm when it is outside the frame of the body. Why bother having Laws of the Game if nobody is going to bother to read them or care about interpreting them correctly???
No. The fact that you think this is ridiculous is ridiculous. This is much ado about nothing. This isn't a U13 rec tournament where some coach-dad is scrambling to get his best left footer back on the field in an unlimited sub situation. Both teams knew what was happening. Italy had a sub left. They were going to get him on the field, period. This sort of thing gets hammered out ahead of time with the 4th and the 4th would be talking to the referee. I'm sure the referee team realized where they were at for time and took the extra few seconds to get it processed just in case there wasn't another stoppage in the next 30 seconds or so. You say that's ridiculous. What is your alternative? You want Italy to be denied that substitution and for it to be a talking point later if they lose on kicks with the non-substituted player missing. Why do you want that? Germany didn't seem to care. A sophisticated observer of the game knows that the substitution is coming no matter what. So what's the virtue of the referee intervening, not allowing it, and heaping undue attention upon himself and creating a mess for his fourth?
I refuse to believe you're serious and simply refer back to my original post. Aside from that, I wish you the best of luck in understanding the sport and its Laws the best you can.
I'll do that when you show me where in the Laws it states that having the ball deflected into your arm from six inches away with zero reaction time to get your arm out of the way is an infraction.
You're a whole bundle of negativity today aren't you. Isn't it instruction at every level to be more lenient with teams getting their last subs in as we get closer to KFTM? I sure heard that this year from my instructors.
"Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm." Boateng putting his arms above his head wasn't a reflex of some sort or part of a motion where he wouldn't be thinking of it. He deliberately put his arms above his head. It was a deliberate act. I'm sure you are likely going to quote this back to me "The following must be considered: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement" And say "The ball went to the hand so it isn't a foul." But I would submit that if it were impossible to handle the ball with it being ball to hand, the laws would state explicitly that in the parenthetical, something like "(ball towards the hand can't be a foul)." They go out of their way to explain in the third bullet point that the position of the hand does not necessarily mean there is an infringement, so clearly IFAB has no problem telling us what can/can't be an infringement. This is a perfect example where ball-to-hand is a foul.
For me, the issue is the distance and time (i.e. virtually none) between the ball hitting Chiellini's head and hitting Boateng's arm. Boateng had zero reaction time, and therefore could not possibly have deliberately moved his arm into the path of the ball Putting his arms above his head may have been a deliberate act, and a stupid one at that, but given that he did not know where the ball was going at the time and had no opportunity to move his arms out of the path of the ball, I find it very hard for that to be construed as "deliberately handling the ball", which are the only four words actually in the Laws. He may have deliberately raised his arms in the air, but that's not an infraction. And he sure as heck didn't know ahead of time that Chiellini was going to head the ball directly into them....
So I go back to my example. If a defender raises his arms above his head every time he's defending in the box does that mean its never a PK if the ball hits them? Because there's literally no other soccer fan in the world other than you who believes that.
Second caution? You do know that Chiellini was not booked in this game right? That would have been for a potential semi-final suspension. Plus, it was nowhere near tactical. Simple DFK.
I don't think so. I think Buffon called the first toss, which Schweinsteiger won and picked his side. Schweinsteiger then called and won the second toss (with a different coin I think) and chose to kick second.
He deliberately placed his hands and arms in a position where they had no purpose except to give him an advantage contesting for a high ball. At that point, whether it deflected from another player is irrelevant.
It was the worst officiated game of the tournament. A dive fest. He was duped on most and didn't punish any. He was poor
You can disagree with the call all you want, but the fact is that any referee course anywhere in the world would tell you it is handling. Sorry, but that is the fact. Can we please stop debating this now?
Wow. I can't say I saw that -- I thought it was the best team performance yet in Euro 2016. Excellent game management by Kassai in the 1st half, didn't throw an unnecessary cautions and managed the players emotions well. Responded firmly in the 2nd half with three quick cautions to show his match control. AR's were splendid on the offside calls they showed. Penalty area decisions were all correct (Schweinsteiger foul before his header, handling by Boateng). EXCELLENT spot by AR2 behind play on Pelle's late challenge which resulted in a caution. I agreed with the foul where Ozil left his foot in -- attempting to trip is still a foul. I agreed with the no caution on Chiellini -- there was no tactical nature to that foul whatsoever. You can't argue with the late sub -- as stated by @MassachusettsRef the crew was correct to allow him on. You can quibble on a few points: caution to Schweinsteiger being necessary, dive caution to Giaccherini, blowing for a foul on Pelle after getting hit by the ball but overall an excellent team performance on a really tough match. Didn't have any mass confrontations which are likely when teams like this meet, and produced an entertaining match with zero controversy. That's well done in my book.
Agree with @AremRed. Solid match by Kassai. If we as referees can't appreciate a well refereed match, then how can we expect everyone else to appreciate and recognize one?
Sorry, but some of this is down right laugable. Here we have both teams straight out cheating by diving and a referee falling for it time and time again. He looked like a fool. The few he caught, he didn't punish and thus sent the message that diving is permitted. We have posters here who say this was a good game while trashing recently trashing another referee because his AR missed a corner kick. The double standard is incredible.
I so often read your posts and feel sorry for you. I know your some big time rec coach but your tactical knowledge of the game is embarassing as is your knowledge of practical refereeing. Remember this quote -- technically right but practically wrong. Maybe you get away with hiding behind literal definitions of the laws in the cow pasture out back you ref in but at the national level and certainly fifa the expectation is to ref the game the fans came to see and the players came to play and they don't want to see some scrub chunk a penalty in kftm. Maybe you should review law 18 a little closer before degrading another referee on this forum
I would guess the procedure is similar to what they used in Copa. The referees in that competition were instructed to do two coin tosses. For the first one, the referee was supposed to say essentially side A means goal A. Side B means goal B. No one actually "called" it. The second coin toss determined the kicking order with the "visiting" team captain calling.
This definitely makes sense, however we saw the German captain pick the Italian end, and Kassai asked to make sure that he was sure, then indicated to the benches and everyone else which end was selected.
The funny thing is that the subbed player had maybe the worst attempted penalty in kftm (and the first 10 were (in total) nothing to be proud of)