Report: talks of repeat of combined Copa America

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  1. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #1 tab5g, Jun 6, 2016
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  2. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    No way. I'll believe it when I see it but this is obviously excellent news.
     
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  3. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
  4. How would qualification work? Especially for Canada.
     
  5. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Mentioned this idea elsewhere, and they could actually still keep modified and separate tournaments as well.

    Combining CONMEBOL and CONCACAF could happen (eventually) and make sense (and dollars).

    Year 1 - separate 12-team Gold Cup (North) and 12-team Copa (South)
    Year 2 - combined 16-team Copa de Americas
    Year 3 - Confederations Cup
    Year 4 - World Cup

    Cycle repeats...
     
  6. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    They'll figure something out.

    Canada will have to try to qualify, and maybe the US and Mexico will have to try to qualify as well (rather than just being granted seeds).

    At some point, I could see all of Mexico/USA/Canada all co-hosting this tournament.
     
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  7. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Qualification could still be separate. Confederations Cup berths could just be decided by best finisher from each region.
     
  8. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    That seems too draw-dependent and wouldn't be balanced enough.

    I guess it would be "fair" in the sense that all teams would know that's how it's going down, but if, say, the U.S. gets an easier draw and easier QF matchup than Mexico, it really isn't a good indicator of who the best team in the region is.
     
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  9. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #9 tab5g, Jun 6, 2016
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    Or, they could do Confederations Cup qualification based on the separate Gold Cups and Copa tournaments that could still be held in the summer one year prior to the "every 4 years" "COPA en EEUU."

    Or, this idea won't pan out, and things will go back to "normal" -- whatever that schedule was.
     
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  10. areathrasher

    areathrasher Member

    Mar 26, 2014
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    There has been suggestions in the past for Canada to join the Caribbean Cup to qualify for the Gold Cup. The reasoning being that getting automatic entry to the GC hurt Canada from a FIFA rankings POV as they weren't playing as many qualifiers that count more points wise for the rankings compared to the like of Jamaica or T&T.

    If this were merger of the tournaments something like that may work from a Canadian POV.
     
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  11. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe a playoff between the two best finishers then?
     
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  12. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    I do like this idea, but I wonder if it would put too many miles on the guys who are regular starters for the good teams. It would basically mean that the top players would never have a summer off.
     
  13. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    That's not much different than now (or recently). Each 4-year cycle has regularly had 2 Gold Cups and from 1987-2001 there were 2 Copa America tournaments every 4 years. There have been 13 Copa tournaments in the past 30 years.
     
  14. nthemsum

    nthemsum Member

    Jan 14, 2006
    boise,id
    I like the idea. I just don't like it in the US. Spread it around a little. Also if it runs the same time as the Euros two years after/before the world cup then it works. Qualifying should be easy enough but I imagine that instead of 16 they will go with 24.
     
  15. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    This is exactly what I've been wanting since I was like 12.
     
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  16. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Yeah, i missed that part. Should definitely not be in the USA every time. And I don't see CONMEBOL going for that at all, unless they really just care about money and nothing else.
     
  17. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They do unfortunately.

    I definitely would like to spread it around too. It's not as bad as in CONCACAF where there's really only two or three viable hosts.
     
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  18. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
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  19. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #19 tab5g, Jun 6, 2016
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    One would assume they could reasonably rotate hosts, and alternate every 4 years, North and South.

    Or maybe, everyone really is just cool with the idea of the USA always hosting (in spite of the heat).

    And honestly, if the US hosts every Combined Copa de Americas, there could still be opportunities for other nations to host the "preceding year" and separate Gold Cup (North) and Copa (South). But those may never happen, if both confederations are indeed fine with combining in some sense, or just agreeing to the (new/big/16-team) Copa to be played in the same years as the Euros.
     
  20. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Based on the espndeportes article, part of the rationale for doing this would be that the rich South American stars prefer our NFL-quality facilities, and their families like coming here on summer vacation. It also references economic stability -- federations know they are going to get paid when the event takes place here.
     
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  21. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Certainly. Business decisions drive most things.

    And after a few cycles of "US-hosted Copas" it is very possible everyone will "miss playing Copas in South America" and this combined approach will farther evolve.
     
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  22. FLSoccerGran

    FLSoccerGran BigSoccer Supporter

    Liverpool
    United States
    Feb 2, 2005
    Poinciana, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It sounded to me that was really the point - CONMEBOL wants it here for financial reasons!
     
  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Actually it is pretty easy.

    All you have to do is liberate all the indicted corrupt officials from Conmebol, afterwards include in the deal all of the new ones who replaced them, grease them all up with some bucks and give them, a "tax-free", for life benefit, together with manssions somewhere in the caribbean, and US citizenship.

    If you do all that, they'll even sell their whole families to the best offer and will be happy doing so.
     
  24. jaxonmills

    jaxonmills Member+

    Aug 26, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this is great as long as we keep the post-WC Gold Cup. I think we need that to be the mechanism for CONCACAF to determine qualification for the combined-COPA and Confederations Cup. I also enjoy the competitive element of the Gold Cup, although every two years is probably overkill.
     
  25. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Btw, don't complaint afterwards when a "new Conmebol" gets created with another name, and they decide to never do business nor invite you to anything together, ever again
    ;)
     

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