Making Dutch academies EPL raid proof

28 april 2016 – PSV heeft de pas 16-jarige Joël Piroe alvast een aanbieding gedaan. De groeibriljant uit de eigen jeugd kan zijn handtekening zetten onder een driejarig contract, maar er liggen buitenlandse kapers op de loer. Dat meldt Voetbal International.
This kind of things is fast making it impossible and loss making for Dutch clubs to have an academy and in the end could mean the end of the Netherlands as a football powerhouse.

So what could we do against it.
I have a radical solution to the problem, that also could attract Anerican kids with talent.
The solution is to severe the Academies from the clubs in a judicial way, by making them independent Ltd/BV entities as football academies with all shares in the hands of the club that originally had the academy. All academies should also form a non-KNVB league to play a youth competition. This way FIFA rules on the under 18 players are no longer an issue.
Kids that have the talent to grow into a professional player will have only one route towards pro football, via those academies. To enter their parents have to sign a contract that the costs of the education is 5 million euro. This will be called in if the student doesnot sign, when offered, a contract with the parent club. If they refuse to do so, the kid will be out of the club and into the normal amateur clubs. Their choice.

This way the EPL free riders now have to pay the kids "study loan" of 5 millions to be able to attrack them.

The independent nature of the academies makes it possible to attrack young USA kids, as this is an education with no attachement with the FIFA and thus no commitment to their rules. Many parents in the USA pay ridiculous amounts of money for their kids to play football at in our eyes questionable levels of coaching. Sums go even in the region of 25000 dollars. If you are willing to splash that kind of money, you better spend it on quality. What keeps them from doing so is the FIFA ban. That problem is swept aside by my way of organizing it. When an American kid has enormous potential as a 11 year old, but is going to be processed in the lacking Yank academies and the parents havenot got the money to pay, there are big sponsors willing to cough up the money for potential billboard highlights.

So my set up safe guards the future of our academies and our way of football and can also be a source of income from students abroad. We have the reputation of being the best in youth development and should now make it profitable.
What do you think of it and fell free to elaborate, adjust or torpedo it.

 

Well, I suggest to make the parents sign contracts of young kids before they are on the radar of the EPL. To join the academy as a kid, and then am I talking about 10-11 years, so long before the selection and educating takes place to be taken advantage of by the EPL raiders.
So to clarify: I'm talking about making parents sign a contract of entering into an education that costs money. If they donot want it, go and stay playing with the amateurs. There will be no academy anymore within the clubs themselves. So the only way to get a pro level coaching set up to prepare one for high level club play is via the contracted set up I described. So people get the choice to accept they cannot anymore walk out of the door with free education and reaping the benefits, while the club gets nothing or they donot accept it and then have the choice to let their talented kid play in an amateur setting without the pro academy care. When a kid isnot up to the beforehand made expectations, he will not be offered a contract and thus will his parents be free of any costs to pay.
I am very specific about the whole set up. The seperation from the football league has a special purpose I mentioned.
So Rinus127, this set up is precisely designed to prevent the 16 year free riders grabbing of the EPL. In the set up I propose the kid that is worthy to sign a contract for the club affiliated with the academy, has either the choice to sign and be freed of the "cut loose fine" or make the EPL club cough up the penalty/education fee.
And I'm not talking about the quality perceived of the Dutch academies, but about protecting the league from slipping into obscurity when the clubs at a certain point cannot afford to keep an academy alive, because of the EPL raids. In my eyes there is nothing wrong with our academies, but even if so..it can be mend. But when the whole system has collapsed because we develop and get no reward from it, then there is nothing to mend, only ruins.
So therefore the whole academy thing must be based on entering in it goes with an obligation. And that cannot be achieved within the KNVB. It is like going on a expensive course payed by your boss. You have to pay for it if you decide to jump aboard another company, leaving the payer with no profit for its expenditure.

 

This would be taken care of with my system. It works against any raider, be it PSV, Ajax or an EPL club.

 

So please keep off topic posts away. React to the proposed thing with additions, changes, improvements or flat out arguments why it is unfeasible, but donot clutter it with side way tracks that can be dealt with in other threads.

 

Nope, because the academy is only feasable when we see our kids play in the first team instead of being stolen at the age of 16. The cost of the top academies like Feyenoord, PSV and Ajax are only justifiable when the efforts put in place to rear the kids from 11 till 16 result in the talents raising the money to at least play break even. When you look at the costs of the staff involved and the compensation received from the kids poached it is just not enough to compensate for also the costs made for the kids that donot make it. The fallacy in the compensation from FIFA rules is that the cost are spread over all kids as is the income. Most kids donot make it but cost money, so the costs must be made up by the few that do. So no, that whole compensation scheme is a scam.
When you want to make big bucks via Harvard you pay Harvard tuition money that run in the tents of thousands a year. You want to make big money as a soccer player by attending the most prestigious academies? Fine, pay the money that goes with it. And parents still have the safety bag of being freed from the costs if the kid is deemed not good enough and gets no contract.

 

English lower league clubs close their academy, because they cannot afford the pricetag required by the FA.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/22293207
article from april 26th, 2013
Lower league clubs worry over youth academies shake-up
By Chris Doidge

5 live Investigates

• From the section Football

 

A more recent article:
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/spor...ws/brentford-set-close-academy-three-11310529

Brentford set to close academy three years after it opened

• 18:00, 10 May 2016
• Updated 18:05, 10 May 2016
• By MSP GetWestLondon

The club have been conducting a detailed review about the academy over the past few months and decided it is to close its doors

 

I know, I'm smart and sneaky

 

http://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=18885
Yet another example:
Exclusive: Arsenal,Chelsea&Wolfsburg Among Clubs Keen On FC Dordrecht Superkid Lateef Omidiji
Published: May 02, 2016



Allnigeriasoccer.com can exclusively report that Chelsea and Arsenal are among the elite teams in Europe monitoring the progress of Lateef Omidiji Jr, who is currently on the books of the youth team of FC Dordrecht in Holland.

But what is stopping the two English Premier League teams from going public with their interest is that Omidiji is still a minor and they are patiently waiting for him to turn 16 before making an approach or for the family to move to the United Kingdom.

Chelsea and Arsenal face strong competition for the signature of the 12-year-old in future, with Wolfsburg and Dutch powerhouses Ajax Amsterdam and Feyenoord also interested in landing his services and there have been enquiries from La Liga teams as well.

Meanwhile, an intermediary who recommended Juventus star Paul Pogba to the French Federation, says it will be disgraceful if the Nigeria Football Federation miss out on the youngster, with the USSF pressing the right buttons so he commits his international future to the Americans.

“It’ll be a great shame if Nigeria do not take advantage of his current interest in his fathers country because you see players Alaba, Ibe, Barkley and many good players across Europe with African backgrounds,” the source told allnigeriasoccer.com. “Look at the French and Belgium National teams that are not choosing their dads’ country of birth to represent so I think his case will be unique as Nigeria shouldn’t wait till he’s in the PL or Paris at 17 before trying to get his allegiance.”

He added : “ I know the Lagos FA Chairman talks a lot about vision for the youth and future, this kid can be the face of that progress and forward thinking. “We’ve always said in France that when Africa gets technical players at a young age who develop early in Europe, the World Cup will never leave Africa.”

The 12-year-old Lateef Omidiji Jr has been likened to Barcelona and Uruguay star Luis Suarez.

 

An example of what tremendous good a job the EPL does with our youngsters!
Of the players that were teammates of Pogba in 2011 and Paul Pogba starred for Manchester United in FA Youth Cup final win in 2011 was Dutchman Gyliano van Velzen one of the team.
Van Velzen spent three years at United but didn't make much impression. He was loaned out in 2012-13 to United's partner club in Belgium, Royal Antwerp, and returned home to Holland with Utrecht in 2013. He now plays for Volendam in the Dutch second division.

 

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Wonder if I can count this guy as one to include in the 'robbed' account.
He's British, but moved with his parents over here when he was 5 or 6. So he's a Dutch product through and through.

 

Oh dear, it is like in the war time. Collaborators rampant:
From the Manchester site http://manunews.com/
Manchester United are snapping up PSV Eindhoven’s highly-rated scout, Roy Beukenkamp, as they seek to delve deeper into the Dutch market.

The Red Devils are overhauling their scouting system with the aim of giving them more say in players coming to the club.


The Dutchman, based in the Netherlands, will begin working for Man United for an indefinite period of time this week.


The scout to Dutch magazine Voetbal International: “It was quite a difficult choice.


“I was very comfortable working at PSV. When the club first showed interest I did not think about it immediately.”


“Eventually you start thinking [about it] anyway. This is an opportunity that might never come [again].


“Last week, the clubs reached an agreement. I start immediately”, Beukenkamp added.


Whilst the national side, desperately sapped of confidence after failing to qualify for Euro 2016, continues to wilt, the constant output of young talent remains untroubled. The 48-year-old ex-goalkeeprer previously worked with FC Groningen and FC Twente and only joined PSV Eindhoven last year.

Can someone by accident ... over him?
Maybe I should go to the return match with Feyenoord and barren the place down.