News: Tuesday , March 22 , 2016

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fairly predictable. If someone comes to you and asks you if you're happy with your salary, are you ever going to turn down the chance to say no, I'd like more, please?

    And some of the comments are pretty ill-informed. I get the feeling your average BigSoccer poster knows more about international salaries and finances than a lot of players.
     
  3. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    what we learned most of all is that MLS refs have a wide range of abilities and are throwing around red cards and PKs like they are being paid a bonus when they do- they continue to be a concern and a source of controversy in most games, with mark geiger leading the way- he gave my team, vancouver, 2 spotty PKs and then dismissed a PK for seattle with an obvious handball inside the box and he was only a few yards from the incident

    someone has stated that the refs are being assigned by the us soccer federation, but MLS has to step up to the plate and demand better refs, even if it takes more money to attract them from other leagues
     
  4. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  5. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Geiger is horrible. If an MLS player made half as many crucial mistakes as he has in the last 12 months, he'd no longer have a job. I don't bother going over to the Refs forum any more, since those guys are nothing but apologist for every ref, every instance. But really, how much is enough? What does it take for refs who are consistently inconsistent to stop getting assignments?
     
  6. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Better replacements? Hard to find.
     
  7. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    I don't know, I'd say everyone is equally ill-informed. The difference is that BS posters have more free time to speculate.
     
  8. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Only the first PK awarded by Geiger was spotty. Second one is always a PK. Do you have an approximate time for the handball?

    Which red card did you have a problem with this week? Here are the players who received red cards:
    Kyle Beckerman
    Simon Dawkins
    Jamison Olave
    Roger Espinoza

    Players who committed fouls for PKs this week:
    Jones trip
    Marshall tackle
    Farrell tackle
    Goncalves holding
    Bernardez tackle
    Olave violent conduct

    Honestly, the only one in that list of 10 incidents that is problematic to me is the Joevin Jones trip / Bolanos stumble. All the rest seem like good calls.
     
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  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. (TxT)

    (TxT) Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Tampa, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    I thought the red cards were totally justified, and you can add Je-Vaughn Watson to that list, as well.

    Frankly, I'm glad to see them because that's one way the level of play is going to improve in this league.

    What wasn't justified was Ismail Elfath constantly seeking personal confrontation with the players in LA-SJ, rather than seeking to alleviate it. He got up in Wondo's face one time after Chris had competely pulled out of a challenge and did nothing to Rowe whatsoever, and yet there was Elfath overreacting in pantomime because it's evidently got to be all about him.

    Mistakes get made by all officials, but there was no justification for Elfath's ongoing behavior the other night.
     
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  13. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's something funny about those answers. I think most knowledgeable MLS fans rate Dax and Nagbe. Similarly, Mix and Jozy get their share of criticism on these boards. So the question might be, overrated and underrated by whom?

    My guess is the players answering that question have one of two parties in mind: Klinsmann, or the media (or both).
     
  14. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    #17 Len, Mar 22, 2016
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2016
    And I'm sorry, but this is just so much hogwash:

    What the players said:

    "Whether you're playing for promotion or to avoid relegation, it makes every game that much more important. In MLS, if you're having a bad season, some guys just ride out the last couple months because they know they'll be in the league next year."

    "It would bring more pressure. You wouldn't have teams waiting to tee it up three games before the playoffs and then start to kick ass."



    Maybe I'm just naive, but I just don't see players walking into a packed stadium and simply "riding it out" because there's no pro/rel.

    EDIT: OK. I suppose there's always some, but no more than players (in leagues with pro/rel) whose teams have nothing left to play for: they're not going to win the title, and they're out of the relegation zone.
     
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  15. IndyMac

    IndyMac Member

    Nov 2, 2008
    Evansville, Indiana
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The question was, "What's the ONE thing you'd change?" Obviously for a player, you are going to say more money or more freedom are the most important. That doesn't mean the other things aren't issues for players. Your comment would be valid if they could have named multiple things, but they could only choose one.
     
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  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, its still a valid comment considering there are a number of posters who are convinced the greatest evil in the league is single entity (or turf fields). Looks like the players, not surprisingly, have greater concerns.
     
  17. IndyMac

    IndyMac Member

    Nov 2, 2008
    Evansville, Indiana
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me know when you find a group of employees who's biggest collective concern is not their salaries.
     
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  18. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    Uh, 'nuance'? You can still be concerned with something even if it's not your greatest concern.

    Besides, the posters you mention are outliers. I wouldn't try to prove your point with them.
     
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  19. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I also think it's a little strange to make that claim when a lot of teams don't really get eliminated until right near the end of the season and we've had multiple seasons where teams have missed out on the playoffs due to goal differential.
     
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  20. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    From the article

    I think it is more that a player making 100k doesn't think MB is worth over 6 mil.

    plus there is this ...

     
  21. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    There is another way to solve that problem. No guaranteed contracts for anyone. Even with relegation a player has a guaranteed contract in England. Maybe they take a pay cut, but unless they are in a contract year they still get paid the next year. You can't ride out the year if your contract can be terminated at the end of the year. Of course every CBA the fight has been for more guaranteed contracts because employees want money and stability (which owners like as well and pro/rel certainly doesn't promote stability for an owner).
     
  22. tigersoccer2005

    tigersoccer2005 Member+

    Dec 1, 2003
    North Bergen, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Somewhere Teddy Westervelt is crying because eliminate single entity/ institute pro-rel got a combined 7%....
    :ROFLMAO:
     

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