Doesn't at all, you don't have a source disproving what I said. There is no source on this subject, its all speculation.
The idea (hopefully of someone like a US Soccer TD) might better/best be focused on how to help that local MLS be and grow into "more" (and a desireable and worthwhile destination) rather than undermining it by encouraging many of its best players (or possible players) to pursue and prefer foreign league options.
When you say "I don't need a source", you're basically saying "I'm just gonna make shit up". It's on you to back up your ridiculous statements with proof, not the other way around.
It's all speculation. Roma had a bid rejected I believe, due to it not being enough money. If both were accepted and he went to JK and JK said Spurs, then sure, bad career advice. I don't think that's the case, at all.
He has scored against Spain, Germany, Chile, Colombia, Turkey, Poland... Those are decent Teams well above the midrange of Concacaf.
Was there ever any advise for Yedlin to re-sign with MLS? Surely such a decision would/could have helped both the league and the player, relatively speaking. But yes, the money for this particular player at this particular time likely was significantly better outside of MLS.
"Doesn't regularly start" He started 60% of the games that his team played, and the coach admitted that it would've been more, but he wasn't 45-90 minute fit for a few months.
Agreed that it's not ideal. My characterization I believe was "valuable" or "important". But anyway, yes: not ideal. And here (emphasis mine) is where we philosophically differ. I feel like (for current USMNT) the rest should be for redundancy. Apologies if that seemed my point: of course I can't argue against that. My point was that this bottom third of the WC-23 squad is more important to the US relative to other do-well-at-WC-group-stage type of squads who are our global peers, due to the nature of our player pool/player development (late bloomers, etc.). In any case, I appreciate your willingness to discuss these topics despite our degrees of difference.
Sure. But MLS is a business and they sold the playing rights of their employee to the highest bidder. The business owner can then use the funds to maybe fund scouting, or improve their stadium, what have you, and grow his or her club into a more desireable and worthwhile place. Or they could put it in the bank. Not *everything* is JK's fault.
You're being obtuse. He provided the perfect analogy. Klinsmann does many things that counter his supposed interests. That is one of them. If he wants players in Europe, he shouldn't bash MLS publicly. He should bash it privately (he's got a phone plan with texting I presume, he makes 3 million dollars per year), to the players themselves, so clubs overseas are more apt to respect their performances in MLS and want to sign them. Also, if he wants players in Europe, he should call them up accordingly, which is another way to improve their chances to be respected players and get past all the laws limiting foreigners. In addition, he shouldn't be bashing his player pool overall publicly. Bad for their present opportunities, and the psyche of the American player present and future. For a guy with a supposed preference for every American going to Europe, he sure has idiotic ways of going about it. That's because he's an enormous egomaniac who thinks the world revolves around him, which leads to a lot of myopic and unempathetic actions. He bashes the player pool to scapegoat them for losses and protect himself from criticism. And he bashes MLS because it's not the route the great Klinsmann went thru. Then, by not starting the integration of MLS players outside January camp, now even going to the step of neutering January camp the last couple of years, he thinks he can and should be able to steer them where he wants out of a power trip. "If you don't do what I say I'm going to punish you". It's super naive to think he's playing the sensible, loving father role. He's stage parent. It's solely about him and his ego. As if he's just trying to get them to where they fit. Clearly not everybody fits in Europe. Everybody is an individual. They should choose the path that puts them in the best position to succeed. The best and most honest split for American futbol would be to have a sizable contingent of quality players both in the better European leagues and MLS. We used to somewhat have that. Would have been nice to get a few more who grew up in the States playing semi-regularly in the top 5 in Europe. 5 years into Klinsmann's tenure, it's gone substantially in the opposite direction, though. All this at the great expense of national team results this past year. It takes a while to make your full imprint on a program. Suspect strategy to begin with, and comically bad execution of it.
Tchani is one of those guys Klinsi brings for diplomatic reasons, knowing full well he will never risk his career on Tchani's boners in a game that counts (vide T.Chandler at WC). With Bradley and Tchani at 8's, we'd have a midfield that has no idea what is happening behind them. There's turning the ball over and then there is turning the ball over...
Well, other than WCQs and WC games, what would you define as games that mattered? In the former, he's only going to face CONCACAF level opponents. In the latter, he's only played in 4 games.
wow. First time I see somebody actually think "team" on these boards. Just think of the players we could have brought to Brazil instead of Chandler when JK knew very well he was not going to play him. Where was the back up for Donovan and Jozy? Nguyen and Agudelo were available. JK thought of Aron's known ankle problem as a safe bet at that 15-23 level. I don't see anything changing either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_accomplishment Appeal to accomplishment is a genetic fallacy wherein Person A challenges a thesis put forward by Person B because Person B has not accomplished similar feats or accomplished as many feats as Person C or Person A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context.
You think if I e-mail Gulati on his Colombia account he'll give me the national team manager's job upon my request? That's pretty much all Jurgen had to do. In fact, he just got dropped into a bigger job immediately off his playing career. He didn't climb any ladder from a coaching standpoint, proving himself along the way. Actually, he's more a proven loser as a coach. Yours is cop out a stupid enough argument in and of itself of any critique, but especially in this particular situation. We care, but don't have the job, so this is all we can do. And even if we could have the job hypothetically, but chose to go in another direction, it shouldn't preclude us from voicing our complaints in the hours we choose to focus on it as our secondary interest/hobby. You know there are a lot more important careers than football manager, right? Like a doctor, teacher, or law enforcement officer should be expected to just bite their tongue or not pretend they could know better when a coach is making decisions that leads to a team they root for to get out-shot on their own homefield 21-6 by Haiti. I find that a person who resorts to such an irrational defense of a member of a sport's front office usually has a relationship with him. So I figure that's the case for you and that shill who (shamelessly) repped your post.
Agreed. And neither is *everything* MLS's fault. Specifically, I am not saying everything is anyone's fault. Trying to analyze some of the decisions JK is making and some of the advice he is likely giving based on the preferences he has stated. In that context, I do not like and disagree with some of the things JK is doing.
So, a bunch of veterans say thanks but no thanks to a January "fitness" camp with JK. Gonzalez decides to stay with Mexico. Is the ice cracking, or is there nothing to see here.
1. I wasn't posting what JK would do, I was posting what should be done. I understand if you would rather be grounded in the reality of JK, but to me that's a pointless and boring conversation. 2. JK is shunning him because, despite playing in leagues that National Team players should shine in, he has never scored 10 goals in a season - a stunningly easy objective. A player with his skills should be achieving more than he has, which means there is some problem with his character and mental strength.
funny enough, everyone is publically praising MLS recently....I realize a lot of that might have to do with wanting a future contract/piece of the action but Chicharito, Drogba, Gerrard, Herrera, ...etc...."cant believe how competitive it has become" "its going to be one of the top leagues soon" etc ....Arsene Wenger is the only public figure in recent memory to bash MLS. the timing is curious to say the least.....just as MLS is better than ever and improving, the USMNT manager is one of the few slamming it. kinda odd. also, I cant get the whole "I hope Germany wins the world cup" comments out of my mind from pre-Brazil. why? what benefits was there to that? I just cant imagine ANY OTHER country having a coach say that about another team in the world cup besides the one they are coaching and get away with it. ...and to think, Germany really ended up winning the title from the same group as the US! throw in how passive the US played vs Germany (zero shots on goal through 90 minutes! Brad davis starting, landon at home) it's too much. ive noticed how his actions often contradict themselves. there's really only one explanation that ties them all together.....I truly believe he is sabotaging us soccer. and that, aside from cashing paychecks, is his real primary goal...the fact he's getting paid for it is the worst part of the whole thing.
I was in so much agreement with you on the first two paragraphs. Good points, all. Then the last one! If he is sabotaging US Soccer he's doing the same to his career as a manager. Does that seem likely? No, it's more likely he doesn't have a clue about proper coaching and man management and anything else relating to growing the game here, and that he didn't see why he shouldn't root for Germany since the US had No. Chance. in his brain.
No I think this is the status quo and has been for awhile. I do believe Jurgen is doing what he thinks is best. I disagree with that vision and maybe there are guys on the inside who feel like Lahm but there's not going to be a player revolt.
Actually, the veterans stepping down may be the best thing that could happen to Klinsmann. He's got a shot to prove he's better than what shown on 2015...