1974 World Cup - Best Players

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  1. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    This information is taken from issue 58 of "Kicker sportmagazin" dated 15 July 1974.

    "Kicker" held a survey among 67 sports journalists about the best players of the 1974 World Cup. Each journalist was asked to rank the six best players. Based on that, "kicker" used an inverted points system to compile the list of the best players. "Kicker" published the vote of each journalist and the final overall result. I took the final list and separated it into tactical categories forwards, midfielders, defenders and goalkeepers:

    Forwards

    01 Cruyff - 372
    02 Lato - 37
    03 Gadocha - 26
    04 Müller - 15
    05 Szarmach - 10
    06 Dzajic - 9
    07 Edström - 6
    08 Bajevic - 4
    08 Jairzinho - 4
    10 Rep - 3
    11 Sparwasser - 1

    Midfielders

    01 Deyna - 175
    02 Neeskens - 120
    03 Oblak - 46
    04 Bremner - 32
    05 Babington - 28
    06 Hoeness - 27
    07 Mazzola - 22
    08 Overath - 15
    09 Rivelino - 6
    10 van Hanegem - 5
    10 Bonev - 5
    12 Acimovic - 4

    Defenders

    01 Beckenbauer - 278
    02 Pereira - 35
    03 F.Marinho - 26
    04 Breitner - 22
    05 Vogts - 13
    06 Figueroa - 8
    07 Bransch - 1

    Goalkeepers

    01 Hellström - 26
    02 Maier - 10
    03 Francillon - 5
    04 Tomaszewski -3

    Overall

    01 Cruyff – 372
    02 Beckenbauer – 278
    03 Deyna – 175
    04 Neeskens – 120
    05 Oblak – 46
    06 Lato – 37
    07 Pereira – 35
    08 Bremner – 32
    09 Babington – 28
    10 Hoeness – 27
    11 Hellström – 26
    11 F.Marinho – 26
    11 Gadocha – 26
    14 Breitner – 22
    14 Mazzola – 22
    16 Müller – 15
    16 Overath – 15
    18 Vogts – 13
    19 Szarmach – 10
    19 Maier – 10
    21 Dzajic – 9
    22 Figueroa – 8
    23 Rivelino – 6
    23 Edström – 6
    25 van Hanegem – 5
    25 Francillon – 5
    25 Bonev – 5
    28 Acimovic – 4
    28 Bajevic – 4
    28 Jairzinho – 4
    31 Rep – 3
    31 Tomaszewski – 3
    33 Sparwasser – 1
    33 Bransch – 1

    Best XI

    --------Gadocha-----Cruyff------Lato

    -----------Oblak-----Deyna-----Neeskens

    --F.Marinho---Pereira---Beckenbauer---Vogts

    ---------------------Hellström


    I will upload the original "kicker" document tomorrow.
     
  2. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Interesting list :cool:
    Much more interesting that Francillon gets the 3rd place among keepers, even when Haiti received 12 goals.

    Edit: I see at Wiki that after WC, he was signed by a german club.
     
  3. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Unfortunately "kicker sportmagazin" did not publish all 67 votes but only 34. The journalist that voted for Francillon is not included.

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  4. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    #4 PuckVanHeel, Nov 23, 2015
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    Is it correct that Pelé and Seeler voted too and Michels as "one of the few" national team managers (perhaps only one?) declined to vote? That's what I read some years back and took/typed over.

    So, ZDF Sportschau, FIFA president Havelange, a Montreal based news agency journalist (if I read correctly?) the Hungarian UEFA ExCom member (listed next to the FIFA members), Geoffrey Green, Karl-Heinz Heimann, Helmut Schön, Willie Ormond (Scotland NT manager) deviated from the other published votes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Green
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Heinz_Heimann
    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fif...sheet-fifaorderofmerit(1984-2010)_neutral.pdf
     
  5. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    #5 Gregoriak, Nov 23, 2015
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  6. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
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  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
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    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/world-cup-individual-advanced-stats.1979881/page-3#post-26950219
     
  8. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    oblak overr van hanegem is a disgrace...
     
  9. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    From the ratings that were published in As and in France Football and also taking into account the collective results, these are the players that come out as the highlights of the tournament:

    1.- Cruyff (Holland) 8.62
    2.- Neeskens (Holland) 8.27
    3.- Deyna (Poland) 8.22
    4.- Bonhof (RFA) 8.20
    5.- Gadocha (Poland) 8.18
    6.- Lato (Poland) 8.10
    7.- Szarmach (Poland) 8.07
    8.- Bremner (Scotland) 7.90
    10.- Pereira (Brazil) 7.75
    11.- Beckenbauer (RFA) 7.66
    12.- Tomaszewski (Poland) 7.60
    13.- Edstrom (Sweden) 7.56
    14.- Bonev (Bulgaria) 7.55
    15.- Figueroa (Chile) 7.53
    16.- Hellstrom (Sweden) 7.52
    17.- Maier (RFA) 7.52
    18.- Vogts (RFA) 7.49
    19.- Oblak (Yugoslavia) 7.46
    20.- Suurbier (Netherlands) 7.42
    Marinho (Brazil) 7.42
    Rensenbrink (Netherlands) 7.42
    23.- Maszczyk (Poland) 7.38
    24.- Mazurkiewicz (Uruguay) 7.30
    Mazzola (Italy) 7.30
    26- Jansen (Holland) 7.26
    27.- Katalinski (Yugoslavia) 7.18
    28.- Lorimer (Scotland) 7.17
    29.- Heredia (Argentina) 7.07
    Krol (Netherlands) 7.07
    31.- Babington (Argentina) 7.05
    32.- Gorgon (Poland) 7.04
    33.- Overath (RFA) 7.03
    34.- Dzajic (Yugoslavia) 6.96
    35.- Van Hanegem (Netherlands) 6.92
    36.- Breitner (RFA) 6.88
    37.- Maric (Yugoslavia) 6.87
    Larsson (Sweden) 6.87
    39.- Reynoso (Chile) 6.86
    40.- Hoeness (RFA) 6.80

    Are there other published ratings of the WC 74 published somewhere on this forum?
     
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  10. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

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    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    In view of this, the ideal XI could be:

    Tomaszewski; Vogts, Beckenbauer, Pereira, Francisco Marinho; Neeskens, Deyna, Bohhof; Lato, Cruyff, Gadocha.

    Bench: Hellstrom, Figueroa, Suurbier, Bremner, Oblak, Szarmach and Edstrom.
     
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  11. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

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    Nov 27, 2017
    This information was published by the Chilean magazine "Estadio".
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  12. carlito86

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  13. _Ziggy_

    _Ziggy_ Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Mar 20, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Wasn't familiar with Gadocha before. Interesting to see that he played out on the left as a right footer. Do we know of any other examples from back in the day of "inverted wingers"?
     
  14. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    From the Bundesliga: Sigfried Held, Willi Lippens, Jupp Heynckes, Ulrik Le Fevre, Georg Volkert, Franck Ribery.
     
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  15. _Ziggy_

    _Ziggy_ Member

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    Mar 20, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Nice! Thank you!
    Fantastic website by the way. Congrats!
     
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  16. ap1898

    ap1898 Member

    Ascoli
    Brazil
    May 3, 2020
    From "WORLD CUP 74", The Official Documentation of the Organizing Committee for the 1974 World Cup Football Tournament.

    "The Final" is analyzed by Italian journalist Giglio Panza.

    West Germany
    ---------------------
    Maier 7,5
    Vogts 7,5
    Breitner 7,5
    Schwarzenbeck 6,5
    Beckenbauer 7,5
    Bonhof 8
    Grabowski 6,5
    Hoeness 7
    Muller 7
    Overath 7,5
    Holzzenbein 7

    Holland
    -------------------
    Jongboled 7
    Suurbier 7
    Rijsbergen 6,5
    Haan 7
    Krol 6
    Jansen 6,5
    Neeskens 7,5
    Van Hanegem 6
    Rep 6
    Cruijff 7
    Rensenbrink 6
     
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  17. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    Friend, do you only have ratings from AS?
     
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  18. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    These are estimates from a newspaper "People ", before the final match, I could not find the final ranking, unfortunately!
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  19. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

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    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    I will send you a screenshot right away. I could really use the ones from "El Mundo Deportivo" that I don't have, do you have them or could you download them from the newspaper library of that publication?
     
  20. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

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  21. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    Some more from WC1974 "People"
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  22. Pavlin Arnaudov

    Juventus
    Bulgaria
    Oct 21, 2017
    And do you have only the 3 matches of Bulgaria team with the assessments of the AS or where can I find them?
     
  23. PDG1978

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    Club:
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    I think the "superb display of speed and unselfishness" by Cruyff was against Sweden (they wrote Yugoslavia by mistake and of course the Netherlands didn't play Yugoslavia - they played East Germany on the same day the newspaper was on sale - Sunday the 30th of June).

    The previous excerpt you posted alluded to Neeskens being given a 10 and a 9 vs East Germany and Brazil (taking his tally to 49 points over 6 games = 8.167 which is rounded down to 8.1 - I discovered previously that the People always rounded averages down rather than to the nearest number to one decimal place, hence 8.1 not 8.2). Cruyff must have attained 17 points over those two games from the People (probably an 8 and a 9), to move his average to exactly the same (49 points from 6 games too). I found a reference to the final rankings before, as I posted here (I had used up my free views on other pages by then though so I didn't inspect further):
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/1...riedebert-becker.2004460/page-3#post-40104370
    I made this post afterwards too, and I think you basically posted the contents of the bottom two links now Pavlin (the top link is after only 2 games, so not really relevant for final ratings but could be interesting as well as helpful in working out the ratings they gave for each game):
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/1...riedebert-becker.2004460/page-3#post-40104379
     
  24. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Club:
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    Actually, no surely it was against Bulgaria (the 3rd group game of the Netherlands, after the '2 game update'), which maybe makes the 'Yugoslavia' slip up slightly more understandable (since Bulgaria is an Eastern European country at least). I suppose the description could equally apply to both his performances vs Sweden and Bulgaria, but yeah it must relate to the Bulgaria game I think (I realised after I'd made my post this morning, when I thought about it properly). Anyway his average was at 8 per game after the first four games clearly (I see from Titanlux's post that with AS it was actually at 9 per game, with 9 for every performance up to and including the Argentina one).
     
  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    @Titanlux I think there is a 9 that is accidentally placed in the table for Rensenbrink's AS grade vs Sweden (the second group game of the Netherlands) isn't there? I just thought I'd let you know, so you could remove it and then I suppose his AS average rating from their grades will be close to 6.5 rather than over 7.

    EDIT - It is not that I think his place in the table is over-stated myself - actually my inclination might be to think it could be even higher probably (I suspect I could be giving him higher than 4 vs Bulgaria, higher than a 7.5 vs East Germany perhaps, and suchlike). But yeah, I just noticed the accidental inclusion of the 9 in a game he didn't play.
     

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