Copa Libertadores 2015 [r]

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Dec 4, 2014.

  1. Regi0

    Regi0 Member

    Aug 11, 2011
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Interms of true fans. Tigres out number us. They ran a statistic a couple years ago and found that for every 1 MTY fan, there are 3 tigres.
     
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  2. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    LOL you sound like a Boca fan... They claim to be the most popular team in argentina despite having fewer socios, lower average attendance, lower tv ratings, and lower jersey sales. I don't care how many "fans" you have, show me the number of members you have, your average attendance- give me stats that matter not absurd surveys
     
  3. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    En Colombia pasa lo mismo, el equipo mas “popular“ en redes sociales es nacional. Pero ya quisiera llevar la gente que lleva millonarios, a pesar de tener la boleta mas cara del pais.
     
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  4. Regi0

    Regi0 Member

    Aug 11, 2011
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    #1029 Regi0, Jul 29, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2015
    Ummm I am a MTY fan, not a Tigres fan, so why would I lie about this????? I am stating a statistic that was run on Monterrey television a couple years back. Anyway here is average attendance for 13-14

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    Also both clubs are not socios, so we don't have "members"
     
  5. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Por Dios, qué cagón el pibe que no quiso patear solo frente a Barovero...

    Tirale a matar a la cabeza si estás ahí.
     
  6. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Yeah, in Peru, the socios also get "season tickets" but that's just one aspect of your membership with that club. You also have access to the club's facilities and other stuff.

    From what I understand, in Mexico, the "season tickets" are just that- tickets only to the home games that season. No membership required. Of course this is easier for fans and a lot more efficient and brings profit in like crazy. And I'm surprised to hear that the Mexican league also does revenue sharing. That's straight American stuff.

    And I'm sure relegating only 1 team in a league with 20 teams is a way of minimizing the promotion/relegation system, which is terrible for profit-making.
     
  7. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Tigres 0-0 River Plate

    ""the away goals rule is not used, and 30 minutes of extra time is played""

    So, hope 2-1 for Tigres in second leg
     
  8. Regi0

    Regi0 Member

    Aug 11, 2011
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    #1033 Regi0, Jul 30, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2015
    With the exception of one club, Liga MX teams are not fan-owned. Therefore it would not make sense for season tickets to be accessible to fans only because there aren't any members to begin with. It works the same way with alot of Euro teams.

    Also we call it season tickets abonos as well. In the case of Tigres and Monterrey, there are so many abono that only about 10k tickets are released to the general public. For non Liga matches I.e. libertadores, abonos get a "pre-sale" before the taquillas are open. Scalping tickets for matches like this one can go up to $200usd for general seats.

    What you should be criticizing is out post season playoff. It makes the whole general season pointless. I'm not too fond of having two seasons per year either. That should be done away with
     
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  9. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    How's Turco Mohamed doing?
     
  10. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Todavia te duele esto? This still hurts, huh?

     
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  11. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #1036 RiverGaucho, Jul 30, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2015
    Well in Argentina most clubs are social clubs.

    River has produced olympians in many sports including tennis, swimming, field hockey, basketball, and of course football.

    US Open Champions Gabriela Sabatini and Guillermo Vilas were members of River long before anyone outside of Buenos Aires knew who they were. They still frequent the club. They have their own "boxes" or "palcos" They'll be there along with 70,000 more river platenses wednesday

    We have 150,000 socios which i believe is the 5th highest in the world, behind only Benfica, Porto, Barcelona, and Real Madrid. We had the highest average attendance in the americas as well.
     
  12. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Y la universidad de river?? si tiene muchos estudiantes?? si es respetable en el ámbito académico??
     
  13. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Who has the most fans has to be one of the dumbest and pointless arguments you can have about football.

    Seems silly not to invoke the away-goals rule for the final. It really encourages the away team in the first-leg to be happy with a 0-0 draw and that's exactly what we got.

    Anyway, River is in the driver's seat now.
     
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  14. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Igual de estúpido que de autorizar extra tiempo en la final de la copa america pero no en los partidos´previos
     
  15. MK3owner

    MK3owner Member

    Jul 26, 2010
    Kissimmee FL.
    Club:
    Deportivo Toluca FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Yeah, but who wants to see a team win a prestigious cup, like the Libertadores, with a tie. That would be pretty lame IMO.
     
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  16. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    so no this rule in all the tournament
     
  17. MK3owner

    MK3owner Member

    Jul 26, 2010
    Kissimmee FL.
    Club:
    Deportivo Toluca FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I wouldnt mind, I never liked that rule anyways.
     
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  18. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Its a great rule imo. Last night's game illustrates why. And I'm not just saying that because it finished 0-0. But lets face it, this is not a sport you watch for the scoring. The drama in football is mostly about the anticipation of the next possible goal because in the back of our mind we are thinking how important that one goal can be.
    But if there is no away goal rule, that anticipation is somewhat subdued. I mean , even if Tigres scored at the end of that match, it wouldn't have been a huge goal.

    You can't beat the drama that the away goal brings. A team could be winning and then with one goal being scored they could be losing. That doesn't happen in any other sport.
     
  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, what's the alternative? A penalty shootout, right?

    And, hey, I don't even hate the shootout. But it should really be used as a last resort. If you lose on away goals it means you failed at doing something after playing 180 minutes of football. I mean you know the rules going in: you have to try to score when you play away from home.

    Losing a shootout means you lost a sort of mind game, which is really quite different and unrelated to the sport of football when you think about it.
     
  20. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    How about an actual one match final like in UEFA? The final can be hosted at the highest seeded club's stadium. Way more exciting, both teams know it's a do or die situation and both teams will give their all for one final match.
     
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  21. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Honestly I like it the way it is. Each team that reaches the Final deserves to have a match at home. Especially given the actions of the Tigres president who refused to sell River any tickets- only giving us about 100 as protocol. Disgusting actions.

    I wouldn't mind a final at a neutral venue however. The thought that "the match wouldn't sell out like it does in europe, travel is hard, people don't have as much money, etc" is all BS. More than 10,000 River fans traveled to asuncion- yes asuncion, which with all do respect, is not a tourist destination. The people that went ,went for the game and nothing else. You put the Copa Libertadores Final in Rio and 80,000 River fans would go. Put it in the centenario de montevideo and half of buenos aires would take the buquebus over. Santiago, same we would fill the streets with red and white. Just watch how many River fans go to Japan and then tell me we would sell out a Final in south america. give me a break
     
  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The tricky part would be if teams with little fan bases make it to the Final. Sure the Rivers, Bocas, Corinthians of the world can pack in supporters. But a final between Nacional of Paraguay and San Lorenzo like last year? I don't think it would even make Rio's Maracana look a third full. Empty seats Galore.

    The only places in the World I could see big turnouts would be maybe New Jersey's NFL stadium or Miami. But this is a South American tournament so that will necver happen.
     
  23. AlleXyS

    AlleXyS Member

    Steaua Bucureşti
    Apr 22, 2014
    Bucharest
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    really? I know, the away team have 5% of the capacity of the stadium.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Universitario => 40.800 capacity

    So, 5/100 * 40.800 = 2.040 tickets for away team :D
     
  24. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Rare opportunity to see someone with Croatian origins with the potential Copa Libertadores title.:) I doubt that this has ever happened earlier.:thumbsdown: Diego Maradona and Lukas Tudor Bakulic don't have Copa Libertadores title. Maybe someone else achieved this?


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  25. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I bet someone has won it before, but i don't know how to check if they have croatian roots...
     

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